Relative merits of AmigaOne compared to Pegasos?

[mingle]

Hi Chaps,

I've been away from the Amiga for a while (my last box was an 060 A1200), and have only been on Amiga.Org for a couple of months.

I'b be interested in getting a new PPC system (as opposed to a PPC card for my old machine) and have noticed that there are currently two real choices: An AmigaOne/Lite or a Pegasos II.

I have no bias to either of these systems and don't really care if it has an Amiga badge, or not. I want a decent, stable hardware platform that can run an 'Amiga-like' OS, along with Linux and maybe even OS X.

Now, without wishing to start a flame-ware (there seem to be some unbelievably touchy characters around!): Does anyone have (or can anyone post) a side-by-side comparison of each of these two boards?

I'd be interested in hardware spec, expandability and of course compatibility and stability with the various OSes available for each.

Cheers,

mingle.

[T_Bone]

If you don't specifically want to run AOS4, then the Pegasos, hands down hardcore. If you do want AOS4, you have no choice anyway, AmigaOne.

[meerschaum]

the upside of AmigaOne

It'll run OS4 when OS4 is completed.

the upside of Pegasos

cheaper price, more features, good company backing it up, (now) apperantly more solid chipset, and of course it has its own answer to OS4 it has MorphOS wich is out now!.

I advise you check out MorphOS since your coming back into the community.

[Acill]

Well you can get a look at the Amiga One scecs for eyetech's site and the Peg II from pegasosppc site. As I see it. The Amiga One needs OS4 ASAP. The Peg with MOS has a huge head start. they are on the 2nd revision of the motherboard now. They have modern DDR ram where the Amiga One still uses olc PC100 ram, the Peg has firewire and can support much faster G4 processors so far while the Amiga one is running at a max of just over 800MHZ.

There has been talk that OS4 MAY get released for the Peg boards. I would say do it. It would give some much needed cash to the Amiga name and get thing flowing again. If you dont care about the Amiga name and are interested in an Amiga like OS on newer up to date hardware like you say, then the Pegasos II just may be worth looking at.

In any case its still to early to tell. None of the systems use the full potential of the boards with the current OS and processors. So they both will come out fast and very nice I would think.

[Cryten]

I'm not that familiar with the Pegasos either... Is there any plans for AmigaOS4 on Pegasos HW?

If no, why not?

[MagicSN]

Hi!

Well, whatever certain other people are saying,
the hardware of the two is more or less the same,
so it is more an OS-Choice than a hardware-choice.
If you want the official AmigaOS get the AmigaOne,
if you want MorphOS get the Pegasos (right now you wouldn't be able to get a Pegasos, though - Pegasos 1 is no longer in production, Pegasos 2 not yet available). To be fair I also have to admit that when
you buy an AmigaOne as an enduser NOW you will only get it with Linux and will get Amiga OS 4 for
AmigaOne shipped to you once it is available
for the enduser - should not take that much
longer though .

It might be asides from a choice of OS also a choice
of company - I personally would put my faith more into Mai than into a small Amiga-market-originated
company like Genesi. Other people might prefer
Genesi for whatever reason.

For myselves, AmigaOne and OS 4 anytimes

I am sure I launched off a flamewar now

Steffen

Hi Mingle,

Since the two boards -- in reality -- are very close to one another, I don't think anyone's ever put together the chart you're asking about.

I can only speak for the Pegasos II having never seen an AmigaOne.

Pegasos II advantages (all subjective of course)
-  At 499 EU, the price of the Pegasos II G4/1000 is usually about $350 less than an AmigaOne G3. (note the advert rotating at Amiga.org for the AmigaOne at $850+

- The Pegasos G4 runs at 1 Gigahertz

- DDR Ram on the Pegasos II

- Pegasos II is compatible with over a dozen operating systems with more in development

- Unlike the AmigaOne, the Pegasos II currently comes with it's own native Operating system, MorphOS which is currently in it's fourth revision (1.4) and there are an awful lot of people who seem to like it, be able to use it stabily, and find it to be exactly what they need.   The AmigaOne currently comes with PPC Linux.

- Development on the Pegasos II (and in particular MorphOS) seems to have gained a real "linux level" community movement with literally dozens of people working on it.  

- MorphOS Development teams are very open and will help any way they can.  

- The Superbundle.  If you don't think about anything else, consider all the free software which is being bundled with the Pegasos machines.  Games, applications, utilities and more.

I would really, really suggest -- before making a decision -- that you spend a few hours going over the following sites.  Members of this community will strongly recommend one or the other based on their own personal and "political" bias, but I'd recommend ignoring anything but your own gut instinct.

AmigaOne
http://eyetech.co.uk

Pegasos II
http://pegasosppc.com
http://morphos.net
http://linux.pegasosppc.com
http://pegasosppc.com/software_bundle.php

After doing that, Talk to people who have seen BOTH in action.   Most lean instantly towards MorphOS and the Pegasos.  The Pegasos is even winning over converts as we make our way around the country doing a series of technology demonstrations.

In all, if I can help answer any further questions, please let me know and I'll help any way I can.

[xeron]

Don't forget the AmigaONE Lite (now renamed to MicroA1) is due early next year, and it is a really nice looking Mini-ITX board.

Personally, I'm going the OS4 route, since it looks like a nicer platform to me. Theres really not much to choose between the A1 and Pegasos, though.

[Acill]

@Wayne

I couldnt have said it better myself (and looking back at my post I didnt!  ;-) ) Do look at them sites. I was a die hard OS4 fan before I did just that. I put in an order for a Pegasos II G4 1000 just the other day after spending about a month reading what everyone has been talking about. I have a grat Amiga with PPC so I can still get OS4 so I think that had some to do with the choice as well.

[Acill]

@Wayne

I couldnt have said it better myself (and looking back at my post I didnt!  ;-) ) Do look at them sites. I was a die hard OS4 fan before I did just that. I put in an order for a Pegasos II G4 1000 just the other day after spending about a month reading what everyone has been talking about. I have a great Amiga with PPC so I can still get OS4 so I think that had some to do with the choice as well.

[Paul]

mingle,

I'b be interested in getting a new PPC system (as opposed to a PPC card for my old machine) and have noticed that there are currently two real choices: An AmigaOne/Lite or a Pegasos II.

Wayne suggested you go to a number fo sites to make comparisons. I suggest you also spend some time over at amigaworld.net. It's like being in entirely different parallel universes when you read at amiga.org and amigaworld.net.

I try to read at both and distill some sense of reality out of the whole Amiga situation.

That being said, I  admit to owning an AmigaOne already. Never had a DMA problem. Never had any trouble with it at all, really, except munging up Debian through my own lack of Linux knowledge.

[Wain]

You may also want to check out what people have to say over at www.amigaworld.net

Although both A.org, and Amigaworld try to be as unbiased and friendly as possible, you'll find more genesi/pegasos ppl over here, and more AmigaInc ppl over there.  So if you just want to get an all around view and see other peoples opinions on what/why they are buying, you could definately find some info there you may not see here depending on who happens to notice this thread.

@Paul,

The distinction between these two sites (which really doesn't exist) is exactly why I recommended to Mingle that he completely ignore the inherent politics and personal opinions.  People who pick one or the other should not be mired down in all the silly pedantic wars between "Red" and "Blue", even after they purchase their chosen system.

What I presented was what I see as facts, and looking at the respective sites for the product will help him far more than zealotous zombies moaning "buy our product... buy our product..."  :-)

Humorously, I did just get a George Romero-style image of different color zombies in a graveyard attacking the innocent curious newcomer from all different directions.  Now THAT is a poignant analogy in more ways than one...

[JoannaK]

mingle: In the end.. what matters is what works and what's available..   If you are not in hurry, check out what software will be made to these systems and see if those are enough for your needs.

There are a lot of old programs, but running them under special emulators is pain.. I'd rather look for those who work on native environment and new ones.

[Bodie_CI5]

@ mingle

Do not be fooled by these people. These new "Amigas" are not proper Amigas. The only proper Amiga is the military grade A2000HD professional computer.





 :-P  :-D

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I am only joking. I reckon Doomie rox!