Relative merits of AmigaOne compared to Pegasos?

[Bodie_CI5]

@ mingle

Do not be fooled by these people. These new "Amigas" are not proper Amigas. The only proper Amiga is the military grade A2000HD professional computer.





 :-P  :-D

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I am only joking. I reckon Doomie rox!

[Casper]

- DDR Ram on the Pegasos II

Personally, I don't see this as much of a selling point for me since it will do next to nothing for the performance of the system over standard PC133 SDRAM since the G4 only has a 133MHz bus.

@Casper,

Personally, I don't see this is much of a selling point for me since it will do next to nothing for the performance of the system over standard PC133 SDRAM since the G4 only has a 133MHz bus.

Perhaps, perhaps not, but DDR Ram is more readily available and cheaper nowadays and is not as insanely picky as on the AmigaOne.

[Casper]

@wayne
[quotePerhaps, perhaps not, but DDR Ram is more readily available and cheaper nowadays and is not as insanely picky as on the AmigaOne.[/quote]

Well, that's due to the Articia and not SDRAM as such, isn't it?

Regarding the price, around here SDRAM is roughly the same price as the slower DDR speeds (such as PC2100) but those are also hard to come by now. Most shops only have the faster speeds in stock which are more expensive than SDRAM.

[Kronos]

@Casper
And the RAM is directly/ecluvily connected to the CPU ?

Thought it was connected to the northbridge.

One of the strongest points withe the Marvel-NB is it's superb internal
bandwith, which should result in fast (and even working  :-P ) DMA.

PCI-bus with IDE, AGP (o.k. only 1x, but thats still a whole lotta bandwith),
and the Gigabit-Ethernet will all ask for data (when used), and in a SR-RAM
based mobo this bandwith will be missing on the CPU-side.
With DDR-RAM the components would need to ask the maximum of
bandwith zthe SD-RAM could  deliever BEFORE !!! they would "steal"
a single Mem-cycle from the CPU. Just like it was with them early Amigas
(those with 68000)......

[Wilse]

@mingle:

As far as I know, I'm the only person on this forum who owns both an A1 and a Pegasos, so I think I can speak without much bias.

I have no bias to either of these systems and don't really care if it has an Amiga badge, or not. I want a decent, stable hardware platform that can run an 'Amiga-like' OS, along with Linux and maybe even OS X.

I'm much like you. At the moment the pegasos is the only one of the two that runs an amiga-like OS. I have to say Morphos is *very* amiga like. The A1 runs linux and PPCUAE, both of which I found extremely frustrating to use, although I was just getting the hang of linux when the pegasos arrived.

I wanted an amiga-like OS too.

The pegasos is now my main machine, the A1 mobo is in a cardboard box awaiting OS4.

If you want something now and can source a pegasos, I'd say go for it.
On the other hand, if you can't find one, or are prepared to wait awhile, I'd say wait till either Peg 2 or OS4 is available. try a comparison then, if you can.

I'm really looking forward to the release of OS4 and it may be that the A1 will then replace the pegasos as my main machine but, at the moment, there really is no contest.

Hope this helps a little.  :-)

[Wilse]

double post - sorry.

Is it just me or is the site behaving weirdly today?

[pixie]

the upside of AmigaOne

It'll run OS4 when OS4 is completed.

the upside of Pegasos

Bigger downside on both machines:

Neither of these system has on their native OS:
- a browser which is complient with all todays standards;
- an office suit that is comparable to MSOffice;

At least until both this issues are solved, both are equally at the same stage, for me that is.. and as for having Linux, I can have linux installed on my PC if I want too.

[takemehomegrandma]

The Pegasos 1 and the A1 is quite similar when it comes to hardware. However, the Pegasos is smaller, it has better features (Firewire and an optical S/PDIF digital audio out connector), and is **a lot cheaper**.

If you look around you might find both the Pegasos 1 (with April2) and A1 motherboards available right now at dealers, for instance I believe that GGS Data in Sweden has managed to get a few of them both in stock.

If you choose the A1, you will have to run Linux until OS4 is ready enough to be released, which probably won't take more than a few months now. If you chose the Pegasos, you can start using it as an "Amiga" right now (with MorphOS), as well as a lot of other OS's.

In a (few) week(s) or so, the Pegasos II will be for sale. That one is an improved Pegasos 1, with a new, very powerful NorthBridge, DDR memory, 1 Gigabit Ethernet and 1 100/10 mbps Ethernet connectors, etc. When the Pegasos II goes for sale, there will be some second hand Pegasos 1 for sale at about €99 (?).

In a more distant future (speaking of the first quarter of 2004), a mini ITX version of the A1 is expected, as well as the Pegasos III, which will be a G5 computer!

[pixie]

" - DDR Ram on the Pegasos II "
This should be read as having Ram at higher speeds, but not taking full advantage of DDR system as G4 can't handle the double transfer to and from RAM.

200Mhz DDR will be 200Mhz and not at double speed as expected.

Edit: Sorry for this meaningfulness information as it was already discussed before and already pointed out

[TheJackal]

The Pegasos 1 and the A1 is quite similar when it comes to hardware. However, the Pegasos is smaller, it has better features (Firewire and an optical S/PDIF digital audio out connector), and is **a lot cheaper**.

Regarding the price of the AmigaOne, eyetech's site seems to be in a timewarp or something, since at this page the latest news is 1st November 2002!!!

So what is the current guesstimate prices for each system.  By system I mean with HD, CD, 512Mb RAM ... A fully functional system box.
(And who do you get a ready built system from, since gimps like me with mitten hands arn't to good at building it ourselfs !:-) )

In a (few) week(s) or so, the Pegasos II will be for sale

The Pegasos II is for sale now;

http://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php

[bloodline]

I'm not going to touch this with a 2billion foot barge pole... but I will say, if you have a PC then have a look at AROS...

AROS Website

[downix]

@Cryten

I have no idea, you will have to ask Hyperion as it is their OS.

[Warface]

Both the AmigaONE and the Pegasos is technically inferior compared to todays modern X86 and Mac products.

Putting that aside, the Pegasos and the AmigaONE are rather similar products. With the Pegasos II and the future AmigaONE Lite we will have some more radical difference though, which were mostly covered by others.

At the moment, the Pegasos/MorphOS has the upper hand in almost all major points and areas. How this will be change in the future is something to be seen though.

Either system you choose you will not make a wrong decision. There will be hundreds or even thousands who made the same decision (no matter which it was of the two).

At the moment we can safely say that there will be OS4 one day, and that MorphOS development won't stop neither. Go, learn the specifications, speak to actual users, come to a conclusion and make a decision.

And I wish happy hours for you and your new machine, whichever it will be :-)

[Seehund]

This could have been a short and sweet thread, with one link to the Teron PX specs and Eyetech's available configurations, plus one link to Genesi's Peg II blurb.

But oh, no.

Anyway, here's a table comparing the boards. I'm sure  people will post corrections if necessary.




EDIT: For bandwidth conservation, I removed the inline pic and linked to it instead. I've submitted it to the amiga.org gallery too, so when/if it's accepted it might be a good idea to link to it there instead.

EDIT 2: Now that the pic will stress the amiga.org server instead of "my own", I put the inline pic back.