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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2007, 02:44:21 PM »
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Great Letter. Great News. My views over bill have changed now. Honors to him... chins up and lets look towards the future...

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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #60 on: October 03, 2007, 02:52:52 PM »
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Rather than {bleep}ing and moaning on here go take up a hobby... like chess... or fishing... and then some years from now you will hear the news you are waiting for or you won't.

nah, I already tried that for 10 years. :-)
 

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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #61 on: October 03, 2007, 03:13:40 PM »
well, if nothing else, I hope the legal issues clear up quickly because I hate seeing lawyers sucking up any money better used for creative efforts
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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #62 on: October 03, 2007, 03:36:40 PM »
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Amiga has never wavered from the path that was laid out and will deliver on that promise.

He should do stand-up comedy :-D.

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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #63 on: October 03, 2007, 03:55:42 PM »
This is a serious question to you amiga guys: Do you actually use amigas for anything serious, or is it just games, really.

Don't flame me; I honestly want to know if the amiga community is doing real stuff out there ...
 

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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #64 on: October 03, 2007, 04:21:17 PM »
First off, I appologize for writing a thesis here, but it's hard not to in response to this communication from Amiga Inc.

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In recent weeks, our being quiet has been interpreted as weakness or an open invitation to attempt harming our business relationships and opportunities with partners and customers.


I've been suspicious about your quietness because of this: http://www.amigaweb.net/index.php?function=view_news&id=612 and what seems to be a lack of answers for so long. I'm not sure which questions from those offered were chosen to be sent, but I think we're still waiting for answers there...

Some people are also untrusting of Amiga Inc. because of things that Mr. McEwen has said to us, and who we know about they claim to be working with.

We've been told that "every" (McEwen's quotes) inquiry to Amiga Inc's defined technology licensing email address to learn abotu licensing OS4 for hardware porting was answered. I sent a number of such emails to that defined contact address and never received any response of any kind whatsoever. No questionairre about my employer's revenues or anything else said to have been part of that. Nothing. At all. Period. We've seen others posting here that they tried contacting Amiga Inc. inquiring about a 3rd-party Pegasos license to port OS4 to Pegasos but they never got any resposnes either. So I do not believe Mr. McEwen's claim there to be true.

He also chose to work with a hardware vendor that has earned itself a poor reputation with many members of the Amiga community. Numerous failed deadlines spanning across years of delays, complete and total lack of proof that anything claimed to exist does, and holding users' AmigaOne machines and money against their will for years insteaad of just returning them if he can't find time to work on them. Heck, even Helgis has begun to show cracks in his unbreakable faith in this.

Amiga Inc. left the Amiga community feeling neglected for quite a few years. Especially when you gave us special contacts to discuss business dealings and then ignored them. Sorry, but you've earned a good bit of our distaste through your own actions. Partnering with another "company" that has also earned itself a less than ideal reputation in these circles did nothing to help you rebuild your own. You can't blame everything on Hyperion. Hyperion told us to get an OS4 license before we could talk seriously with them about such things, and you ignored a number of people that tried to do the right thing. Perhaps your OS4 revenues wouldn't be so zero if you'd actually been willing to do OS4 business, not making us feel like that offer was a total sham. I honestly do not believe these claims of 3rd party OEM/ODM discussions.

Claims that DiscreteFX's inquiry to purchase Amiga Inc. were not bona fide, you'll have to do some mroe convincing there as well. Very few of us see any significant value in Amiga Inc. these days. I don't know or care how many rounds of venture capital you've been seeking out, or how much cash that may be. An offer to purchase is largely based on what the item purchased is seen to be worth. Look around us. The public us long forgotten what Amiga is. A number of people I work with never did know it to begin with. People laugh at us for still being interested in that, telling us we should let that dead horse alone and move on. That does not inspire significant brand value in my opinion. What I can perceive in brand value has shrunk since Commodore, since Escom, since Gateway, Amino, Amiga Washington, itec/Kmos/Amiga Delaware. The Kent thing has surely done nothing but weaken the brand and cause a number of people to hold a grudge against "Amiga", further devaluing the brand and company. There's no current revenue stream from AmigaOS, for anyone that I know of. Considering your current reputation with the nanoscopic potential market for your only known product, I'm sorry, but it's hard to imagine Amiga Inc. being worth much of anything. You may feel you're worth a heck of a lot, but realize that many observers are laughing at you and strongly disagree.

For years, most of us have seen you as nothing more than someone that must provide a license allowing other companies to do what we want done, and we a;so see you as refusing to do that much. You've shown us that you aren't even willing to do nothing mroe than cash a royalty check every now and then, else why have you avoided such responsibilities so thoroughly?

You tell us here that the independent OS4 contractors need not worry about their IP rights, how many of these people have you contacted to reassure them, discuss re-licensing their work yourself, or even to ask just what the heck is their current deal with Hyperion in order for your supposed offer to pay all outstanding balances to be seen as remotely legitimate? While my contribution may not be core or critical to OS4, I haven't heard from you about that... Who of the OS4 development crew HAS heard anything from Amiga Inc to discuss their work and OS4 asfter the lawsuit? Anyone? Anything at all? If not, then McEwen needs to stop preaching to us here and DO SOMETHING.

If Amiga Inc. wants to rebuild its reputation hre and its relationship with this community, you need to do more than come in here and tell us we're wrong to support the only company we've seen doing anything at all with Amiga stuff. (Most of us here do not consider DE or Anywhere to be "Amiga stuff") We've not seen you doing anything for or with us for a very long time. Last we saw that was, in OUR opinion, Amiga related, was your announcement of the SAM440 board last year, which I think a lot of people were confused to see that deal go south.

What about the rebates and coupons? We were promised these by Bill McEwen of Amiga Inc. What does Bill McEwen of Amiga Inc. intend to do abotu those today. Many believe the $50 offer on ACK's boards for that coupon is a sham, as they believe the ACK boards it is based on are a sham. If ACK fails, then we're still out our $50. And then what of the $100 rebates for AmigaOne/OS4 for buying the AmigaDE PartyPacks? I bought both the Linux and Windows flavors of that, and Bill McEwen's promises owe me $250 total. What of that will I ever see? After all these years, I've resigned myself to believing I've been defrauded. Stop preaching to me and convince me that Amiga Inc. and/or Bill McEwen's word is worth anything today, because I myself place very little value on those.

I'm not saying that everyone other than Amiga Inc. is perfect. We've seen complaints about Hyperion's old hardware repair service, and we all know how well they have met the OS4 scheduling from days past. But they did eventually release something, and something relevant at that. Regardless of imperfection, they've been seen to do something, anything at all, and that's more than we've observed from Amiga Inc. DO something, and preferrably something on-topic in OUR opinion.

Anyway... Amiga Inc needs to begin rebuilding its relationship with we the community. That's going to require effort, discussion, and real results, not lectures and unfulfilled promises, from you or your new partners. People in the community have demanded proof of any of ACK's products for years. Why not encourage that to happen, lest we continue to believe it is all complete B.S.? Why not begin some dialog with the OS4 contractors about their work, and making sure you will have any legal right to distribute it should you win your lawsuit?

You don't have to share all your business secrets with the community, but you do have to start acknowledging our existence, talk to us, work with us, and earn our respect and trust back. You can't continue to stay quiet, and if you do then we'll continue to believe you're mostly irrelevant. Your post here may be a first step in rebuilding relationships, lets hope so. Now, go answer those questions from amigaweb that you promised to do a few months ago. And don't just go away again, because we have lost patience with you, and very few remaining Amiga fans care to chase after you these days. If you want us, if you want our respect, our trust, then start earning it. This task is on your shoulders, not ours.

Thank you for your time and patience in all that.
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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #65 on: October 03, 2007, 04:22:20 PM »
If the company had all these strengths, etc.. they would not be so evasive.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #66 on: October 03, 2007, 04:36:50 PM »
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Is this the hardware getting delayed because OS 4 "isn`t available"? Please fill me in people.. What is really going on?


There have been numerous requests for some evidence of any ACK hardware design's existence. Old stuff from years ago like the PowerVixxen to the new stuff. You can make hardware exist without OS4. You can test it and debug it without OS4. (Use Linux) You can make it ready for OS4, running, usable, functional, and existant before worrying about porting OS4 to it. You can take a photograph of it without and before OS4. Yet has refused to do so, even after promising to do it. He may have good intentions, or did at one time. I believed at one time he did. I've since given up on all that. McEwen's going on about this here is actually making me trust him less than I did yesterday.
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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #67 on: October 03, 2007, 05:13:42 PM »
I emailed Bill a few weeks ago and he said he had something big on the horizon.. I guess this is what it was... He also wanted to sell the classic Amiga warez ported to the ibm platform.. I wasnt to happy with that!

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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2007, 05:24:02 PM »
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This is a serious question to you amiga guys: Do you actually use amigas for anything serious, or is it just games, really.

Well, there are people who use it for internet surfing, mp3/video playback, video processing using videotoaster and so on.. But for some of these tasks you will of course need a souped up amiga or a amigaone. Also it might be worth noting that the web browsers are quite a bit behind modern browsers like firefox, which means many sites will render wrong and some might not even work at all.

Most of us however have both a pc/mac and a amiga and see the amiga more as a hobby these days.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2007, 05:24:30 PM »
I think if bill is a good leader of his bunch, he write this letter to Hyperion. To change the situation about os4.

Open letters in the history not wrote to everyone just adressed to everyone. Every "open letter" had its own target person.
If amigainc has much $ in its pocket, then os4 already in the market. Simply bought out from hyperion or just rewroted with 3 party developers.

Anyway if this letter has any other reason to being written, i simply don't have time for it.
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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2007, 05:30:25 PM »
@IOWASURFER
What do you mean by classic amiga warez? These classic games are from what i have heard a result of a partnership with the companies who originally developed the games, and thus that means Amiga has the license to sell these games and i bet cinemaware and vulcan software get their share of the profits as well.

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I will keep moving if you can keep the faith, but I would really like to sell about 10,000 copies of the software to show my board that we need to increase funding.

This part on the other hand looks a bit shady... Reminds me alot about the fund raising through club amiga coupons and also shows that they are in bad shape financial wise again..
 

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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2007, 05:32:09 PM »
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what i read above is actually confirming what i had thought of the majority of this community. Grumblers.


Then you obviously don't know us.

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doing their best to keep things up for those who actually **appreciate** that.


Please, please, please explain to all of us exacly what they have been keeping up all these years. When your done researching and responding, I think you'll have a better idea why we don't take this seriously.

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or maybe you could rethink your complaints???


I've been rethinking them for about 7 years  with and open mind and actually mostly on the side of Amiga Inc. But now I'm more than convienced of their lack of professionalism and competence. And yes, hand most any of us millions of dollars and ownership of the Amiga IP, damn strait we'd do better.


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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2007, 05:32:20 PM »
Just wanted to say I agree with most of you here.

But my favorite letter from Bill was the one from last year where he boosted OS5.0, it is supposed to be better than OS X you know  :lol:  . This years letter was not as funny so I hope next years annual letter of promise from Amiga will carry big plans of OS6.0 and new Amiga hardware like triple dual PPC system with integrated OS5 environment from ACK and Amiga - the international leader of multimedia hi-quality systems.
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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #73 on: October 03, 2007, 05:58:08 PM »
@dwlegg

I was using mine as part of my recording studio, some document editing and web/irc browsing. With in 2 months, 2 of my boards died beyond the abiliy of myself or the third party shop to repair. Used hardware is scarce and expensive since we've been so long with out new products. The only system I was playing games on was actually my "game systems", windowsXP and PS2.

Now with my main Amiga hardware dead, (I do have other slower Ami systems) I'm pretty exclusive to windows and missing my Amigas. There's always been a perception as Commodore/Amiga as game machines, but typically they are/were used quite seriously.

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Re: Amiga Inc - An open letter to the Amiga community
« Reply #74 from previous page: October 03, 2007, 06:24:42 PM »
"Occam's razor"

Which is more likely.....?

It's heart felt statement on the true situation and the actual facts

or

BM tales.

In the end, from my perspective, it really doesn't matter if any new products materialise. As its most likely if there is any intrinsic value in the IP, it would be owned by someone who could extract as much market value out of the US legal system.

Lawyers get fat on it.

The truth sadly is the Amiga has no market value and even in the unlikely event it ever did. It would be gobbled up in someones portfolio for a rainy day.

Hang on....Hmmmmm....Bill ? Lets be honest...Tax Loss.....no product.....where have I seen that before......Am I right, would someone be out of pocket if it made a profit ?
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