Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)

[Tomas]

If I was in position of McEwen, why I should be interested to deal with companies without substantial money/revenue? Amiga Inc is now in position to control OS4 hardware and they can ask what they want. No money, no hardware. I hate to say this but seems McEwen knows what he is doing.

And how can McEwen expect that a bigger company will invest in AmigaOS when you consider the small community and how little there is to earn. The few Amiga only companies left actually basicly only earn enough to keep the store going and some even have to have a job on side. I think most people involved in the Amiga scene today does it as a hobby and because they love the platform.

Saying that you need to earn half a million a year, is like dooming it all to death. There is no one in the amiga scene with these kinds of money today.

[System]

> There is no one in the amiga scene with these
> kinds of money today.

Maybe, just maybe... and I know this will boggle the mind...  Maybe Bill is aiming higher than this tiny hobbyist market which is why he's not interested in talking to a bunch of garage-level companies.

Wayne

[Tomas]

Maybe, just maybe... and I know this will boggle the mind... Maybe Bill is aiming higher than this tiny hobbyist market which is why he's not interested in talking to a bunch of garage-level companies.

That is probably what he is doing.. But who in there right mind would invest such money into AmigaOS? There are a bunch of other platforms out there that is more up2date.

[System]

But who in there right mind would invest such money into AmigaOS? There are a bunch of other platforms out there that is more up2date.

That remains to be seen, but it's probably just a matter of marketing, and Bill was a marketeer before this, so...

[Legerdemain]

I just have to say that the more I think of it... the more straightforward the answers seem to be.

I always tend to stay neutral when there are too much things to take into consideration to be able to make a judgement. And, in this very case, especially since once doesn't know the details of the legal issues concerning the very matter, I would go as far as saying that if I were to read the answers and assuming that they are correct and true... it all seems pretty logical to me, actually.

[System]

> I just have to say that the more I think of it...
> the more straightforward the answers seem to be.

That's what I'm trying to say.  I know the Amiga community acts like a bunch of pedantic vultures any time anyone says anything.  Picking every single word apart and going "what Bill meant to say was...." but McEwen's answers are there and they are straightforward, and they are logical.  

The biggest problem between what was said and what you see now is that it was sent (by necessity) through the lawyers who wouldn't let him say some things as EXACTLY as he had hoped.  

Suffice to say that there are some with agendas, and there are some who will never be happy no matter what Amiga Inc (or anyone else) does, or doesn't do.

Wayne

[pierre]

maybe Bill aiming high, problem is I don't think Bill and Co. have it in them.  They are Johnny come lately to the amiga. Not only that they have very low level bussiness skills. (disaster after disaster)
they have NO proof that this OS 5 is actualy being developed and I seriously doubt is better than morphOS. They have made a mess out of amiga Inc.  Having passed up every decent opertunity that came there way. Unless they deliver somting interesting sometime realy realy soon, I continue to think of amiga Inc/kmos as a big fat hinderence in the amiga world.

the way I see it is that hyperion at one time saw an oppertunity to take over the amiga OS, then they ran out of money and bill bailed them out. Well helped them out is a strong word for took an oppertunity to buy them out (when they where broke)... does it matter? they are both amatures.

See Bills not the kind of guy whos word you can trust, with him it's better to make him show you the goods.  Sorry Bill your credit is not good.

BTW what pathetic is not that sombody made a big deal about not being paid, but that you let that happen.  Also when you assets got sold, you know why that happend?  It did not happen becasue you where running a tight ship... think about it I bet you can figure out a reason that happend?  Anybody willing to give you money is a fool.

[Legerdemain]

they have NO proof that this OS 5 is actualy being developed and I seriously doubt is better than morphOS. They have made a mess out of amiga Inc. Having passed up every decent opertunity that came there way. Unless they deliver somting interesting sometime realy realy soon, I continue to think of amiga Inc/kmos as a big fat hinderence in the amiga world.

See, that is where I never would go. I wouldn't say that they have passed up on every decent opportunity that they had. Why? Because, how on earth would I know what they have passed up on or not? Yes, as it have looked through the years... they haven't exactly seemed the most competent bunch of people... but that could aswell be just what it looks like. Sometimes looks can be just a little bit more than decieving.

It is really easy to go jugding them for this and that, but without seeing the whole picture one can't have much but personal opinons on the whole matter. And the less info there is to gather on the very subjets discussed, the less deemed to be dismissed as 'non logical' these personal opinions are.

[pierre]

with all due respect.  6 -7 years later whe should have SOMETING?  Why waist more time?  They are not cutting it are they?  You want to buy into the next round of lies, go ahead I don't share your belife that amiag inc has any chance it pulling this off.
Just remeber, Bill showed up on 99 from the moon with big plan and no clue, now 7 years later he suddenly decided to make a stament and care about the community he just about demolished!

edit.
@wyane
what do you mean agenda, and who are you talking to?

I figured a bunch of you would flame me for not  buying into Bill's new chapter.

Show me the product (like genisi did) and I will respect you, at this point it would be foolish to do anything else.

I disagree with wayne that these questions where answered "straight forward", I don't even think it was the right questions.  I for one still think they are playing some kind of game.  IF being a sceptic and realist is my agenda o.k.  If my view does not fit withthe candy coated vision you wished for feel free to have your own view. Just don't get confused, I want to see progress and will be happy when I see it, just going to eb DOUBLE cautions with anything I hear Bill say.

[redrumloa]

No money, no hardware. I hate to say this but seems McEwen knows what he is doing.

I don't rejoice in the death of OS4, which is what this seems to imply. I could very well be proven wrong, but I doubt it. There is a reason 2006 is almost over and 2007 will come as yet one more year with no NG Amiga. This market is not small, it's non-existant. No company that grosses over 1/2 million a year would bother with it. Hell most bedroom part time companies wouldn't touch it.

-Edit-
Come to think of it in 2003 Anachronism Industries was probably the top seller of Amiga hardware in the USA(world?). Hell our sales probably topped that of Amiga Inc's. But I assure you it was nowhere near 1/2 million a year and we walked away from it. There is no market. A new market would have to be created.

Now i hope it's true there some big name licenses for Amiga retro DTV style products. If it's mass marketted it could work.

[System]

> with all due respect. 6 -7 years later whe should
> have SOMETING? Why waist more time?

By all means, stop wasting your time and feel free to move on.  We'll miss you terribly, but that's just the price we will have to pay for being such stupid suckers.

 :laughing:

[Legerdemain]

with all due respect. 6 -7 years later whe should have SOMETING? Why waist more time? They are not cutting it are they? You want to buy into the next round of lies, go ahead I don't share your belife that amiag inc has any chance it pulling this off.

You don't have a clue as of what my beliefs are, so stop making it look like I have said something I haven't.

If you had read my earlier post you would have noticed that I said that I didn't really share the vision of the future that I got the impression that Bill McEven seemed to imply upon.

Besides, you have already decided that what you read is nothing but lies ('You want to buy into the next round of lies, go ahead'). I don't consider anything BEING a lie until it is proven so. What I believe, that is a completely different matter.

Just remeber, Bill showed up on 99 from the moon with big plan and no clue, now 7 years later he suddenly decided to make a stament and carea about the community he just about demolished!

If you can prove that Bill McEven have demolished the Amiga community, well, then, just go ahead and prove it. Thing is, since I have no grip of exactly what have been going on the last 7 years behind closed doors, I can't blame Bill for having demolished everything, if anything at all. It could just as well be due to bad circumnstances that things have turned out the way they have.

You and me differ. I don't speak of things I don't know for sure as they would be some kind of unqestionable facts (which it actually seems like you are doing, but I might be wrong here). Neither do I assume the worst, just for the sake of it (like blaming Bill for presenting a bunch of lies) . There is no way for you to prove, at this very moment, that what he is saying is a bunch of lies.

So... what does all of this lead to? Well, for instance, it does led to me not really taking what you are writing into that much consideration, because I don't see the logic behind your reasoning.

[drewz21]

Wayne, thanks for pulling this all together.  Much appreciated and another reason why I think Amiga.org is such a great community.

Bill, I thank you for your time in answering these questions.  I'm sorry for the loss of your daughter.    As a father of 3 I know it would tear me up.

Did this clear everything up for me?  NO.
Did it give me some good info?  I believe so.
Am I going to stay in and continue to support Amiga.  YES!

I'm looking forward to getting my hands on some new hardware and software.  Until that time I'll just continue to enjoy my A1200 and my A500 as well as continuing to use my Windows PC for the more mundane tasks until such time as a replacement new Amiga machine with a new OS comes along.

Long live Amiga!

[pierre]

@Legerdemain
"You don't have a clue as of what my beliefs are, so stop making it look like I have said something I haven't.

If you had read my earlier post you would have noticed that I said that I didn't really share the vision of the future that I got the impression that Bill McEven seemed to imply upon."

I never stated that I know you beliefs, sorry that you feel I puyt words into your mouth, I DID NOT.  These are MY views

"Besides, you have already decided that what you read is nothing but lies ('You want to buy into the next round of lies, go ahead'). I don't consider anything BEING a lie until it is proven so. What I believe, that is a completely different matter."

WRONG, Bill lied before, I used to trust him, now he needs proof, that my opinion.

The difference is that I respect your view and DISAGREE.  So what it a free world!

[Legerdemain]

I don't share your belife that amiag inc has any chance it pulling this off

If that isn't putting words in my mouth, then what is? But, whatever, that is not what this thread should be all about, anyways.

Sorry for the inconvinience.

[pierre]

@wayne
I never called you a stuped sucker!  
Just becasue I have MY OWN OPINION and am not afraid  to post it does not mean you should riducule me!
BTW way wayne I mean why waist more time with Amiga Inc. Given the legal situation the evolution of hardware and software I dont think we realy need them any more...

I have moved on years ago, anything new AMIGA will just be a bonus, I just dont feel like sucking up to some CEO after he made a bunch of bad and IMO foolish decisions, why should I?


I will consider moving on, but most likely will hang around and share my view,  Like I said if he comes trough, I will make a public post stating that I was worng!  Tehn you guys can all shame me and I will take it.  Will you do the same if this does not happen?