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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2006, 12:34:05 PM »
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The more I think about it, the more I believe that the timing for this was not a coincidence. After years of silence, Amiga Inc talks now in a public forum all this previously private information (legal issues with Hyperion, OS5 in development since 2004, etc).


According to this:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46657
Wayne initiated the contact. Not Bill McEwen.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #75 on: September 14, 2006, 12:35:47 PM »
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As everybody can see if they visit https://www.amiga.com/shop/, the site does indeed have a new certificate, issued by Starfield Secure Certification Authority on August 29, 2006. But... just click on the lock symbol or equivalent, depending on your browser, to see who the company that requested and obtained the certificate is! It is Amiga, Inc. (Washington), and not Amiga, Inc. (Delaware)!

It is probably something as simple as they renewing the expiring license without changing the details.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #76 on: September 14, 2006, 12:44:50 PM »
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Poster: Tomas  Posted: 2006/9/14 13:35:47

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As everybody can see if they visit https://www.amiga.com/shop/, the site does indeed have a new certificate, issued by Starfield Secure Certification Authority on August 29, 2006. But... just click on the lock symbol or equivalent, depending on your browser, to see who the company that requested and obtained the certificate is! It is Amiga, Inc. (Washington), and not Amiga, Inc. (Delaware)!

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It is probably something as simple as they renewing the expiring license without changing the details.



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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #77 on: September 14, 2006, 12:54:53 PM »
It's funny so see this comment and this comment (although it was probably only joking) before the questions had been answered.

Rogue answered

this to the question about OS 5.0: An eight letter word (bullsh*t). It can't get any clearer that there is something that really went wrong between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #78 on: September 14, 2006, 01:09:13 PM »
Well, ok, I see.

Now Hyperion is a bad software-factory...AmigaInc pay for develop AmigaOS4.0 and PPC hardware, Trika isn't a partner for AmigaOS4.0

Early AmigaInc wasn't interested in AmigaOS desktop software market and absoluty not interested in Amiga desktop harwdare market.

Now, yesterday, seem that AmigaInc. work from 2 years ago to new AmigaOS5.0 (...was AmigaDE???)..but due to slow develop of AmigaOS4.0 by Hyperion...AmigaInc have to work for Amigans, so we will get a powerful and new generation of OS.


Well...well...I will see what will happen, I'm not a donkey, not a smart guy  :-P  but not stupid as Bill can think  8-)  I'm boring...boring...poor AmigaOS2.1 made by BIG Commodore.  :cry:
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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #79 on: September 14, 2006, 01:18:29 PM »
@humppa

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there is something that really went wrong between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion.


That's kinds what I'm wondering too. OS4 took longer than expected to complete and Amiga Inc decided to pull the plug on Hyperion? If that's the case, the break might not be pretty.

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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #80 on: September 14, 2006, 01:22:32 PM »
I find it funny that people say "I will never buy... " OS5, for example.  How the heck do you know how things are going to turn out?

Admittedly, talk of OS5 and even OS6 worries me a bit.  Considering that even for the smallest of software design projects, the development roadmap tends to look something like 'features intended for the next release' (eg. OS4), and 'features intended beyond the next release' (eg. OS5 or later).  A competitive modern OS is extremely complex, and not something to be thrown out of the window and 'started again'.

Although, I guess it is possible that AInc have access to the OS4 source code and made their own branch from the code.  It seems to be a bit antagonistic towards Hyperion to say that in public though.  To me it reads like "OS4 isn't particularly relevant".

I think I'm beyond caring particularly one way or another wrt Amiga anymore, as a great deal needs to happen to secure Amiga's future.  I'd personally like to see an operating system which has the advantages of the AmigaOS of old, on a viable hardware platform, so I guess I'll just wait and see.

http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/
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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #81 on: September 14, 2006, 01:35:29 PM »
Maybe Hyperion`s OS4 site will be another Amithlon.net soon :o(  Sounds like it`s started already.
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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #82 on: September 14, 2006, 01:46:49 PM »
AmigaOS 5 == Multi platform == AROS?
 

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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #83 on: September 14, 2006, 01:46:59 PM »
After i read this empty talk on a.org and a really good review od AROS on osnews, i made a final decision; AOSx is dead, long live AROS!
As soon as aros gets 68k emulation integrated like in MOS or OS4, i will setup my monthly payments to wishlist and NEVER turn back to AOS. Heck, this guy even bothers about obsolete 68k roms?!? Who gives a f*ck about them, why don't he let people play with it while waiting for OS4, OS5... OS42? :)
 

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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2006, 02:04:04 PM »
@mikey

From what I can gather(my pure speculation), Hyperion (Ben, not the Friedens) had the contract to develop OS4 and were paid in full for it but refuse to turn it over, citing that they are owed even more money than the contract allowed for.

Now, it's all in the hands of the lawyers as to who did what.

In the meantime Amiga Inc took what code they had (and it could have been all of it for all we know) -- hired some programmers and started working in-house on OS5 which was always slated to work on multiple platforms.

Remember folks, the apparent fight between Hyperion (not the Friedens) and Amiga Inc could have literally started two years ago for all we know.  Also, people are really prone to slide a date here and there without meaning any harm.  Kinda like my Dodge truck which is an 05 built in late 04.  

What I'm trying to explain is that "two years" on this may have been "December 31st 2004" which means technically less than what? 19 months? Anyway, it's easier (and human nature) to round up that number to "2 years"

Me?  Personally, I'm a skeptic.  While I understand what Bill's gone through and have sympathy for his losses and respect for his determination, I don't know what to believe, or not to believe until I see OS5 running on something besides antiquated PPC hardware (which is my preference).

Even though I can't afford, nor justify, the flight to Amiwest for a one-day show, I'm SINCERELY hoping that we see and hear more there.

Wayne
 

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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #85 on: September 14, 2006, 02:20:33 PM »
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Nobody interessted what that is? Could that be the Coldfire project(s) ? Elbox ?


Neither are a company that gross over 1/2 million per year, so by Bill's own words he is not interested in dealing with them.

Which on a side note is interesting... Considering probably the last time Amiga Inc themselves grossed 1/2 million per year was 1994, the year Commodore went bankrupt :-?

Amiga Inc < 1/2 million per year
Hyperion < 1/2 million per year
Eyetech < 1/2 million per year
Any prospective licensee >> 1/2 million per year?
 
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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #86 on: September 14, 2006, 02:24:11 PM »
An eight letter word (bullsh*t). It can't get any clearer that there is something that really went wrong between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion.

Well can you trust Ben sentences when you know there are problems regarding the two compagnies?

I only have some little things to add:

1. Hyperion was asked as third party to code OS4, they, as software compagny established a calendar to have OS4 out. Years after the work is still unaccomplished/unfinished.
Is it Amiga inc in fault if Hyperion isn't able to finished the work in the time they stated years ago? Meanwhile, young people created MorphOS in less time it takes to Hyperion to port existing code to PPC!!!!! So there's only two solutions if OS4 isn't out it's because Hyperion is waiting...waiting what? Or Hyperion is enough unskilled to make so many time porting an existing OS.

2. I had the chance to have an Amigaone, then entered in brief contact with Ben in order to discuss about a thing or two. One week after I sold my Amigaone, thinking 'enriching' this guy was out of my personnal goals. (Read I liked him before talking to him, I won't be able to talk to him again after having the 'chance' to understand that he don't consider as human everyone that has a different point of view than Rogue Squadron's One).

3. After having choosed to sell my micro-amigaone (that wasn't a finished machine it's the less I had to say), I had the opportunity to talk to Bill Buck. At times I hated him, based on he's sentences here and there, and the general "go away" attitude of the pro amiga community. Bill Buck isn't the person I thought, just talking to him correctly (and not as if he were a rogue) was really, really interesting at the point I now think the biggest error of Amiga Inc was to pass the OS4 work to Hyperion and not MOS team (and we don't talk at any time regarding Amiga, Amiga Inc, Hyperion and so).

5. Amiga Inc never commented publicly on Hyperion problems, that wasn't the case of Hyperion that always tend to send sentences like "bullshit" when they talk about Amiga Inc.
(I won't copy/paste the mail Rogue sent to the AmigaDE developer years ago regarding problems between Amiga and Hyperion, and that was years ago, and that wasn't to have sent to a developer mailing list since it was clear, it was 'internal mess').

6. The only way I see things improve is Hyperion starting to reduce their ego and start playing a good role...Or Hyperion closing he's doors for Amiga to choose a good third party OS4 developer or last, and probably the most possible future, OS4, Hyperion and Amiga Inc would have dig their grave.

Now I'm pretty sure 99% of you will think I troll, or things like that...Nevermind, I'm now totaly bored with Hyperion's narrow minded game and gone away, just hopping they will one day wake up admitting they are playing a deadly game!
 

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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #87 on: September 14, 2006, 02:37:37 PM »
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Meanwhile, young people created MorphOS in less time it takes to Hyperion to port existing code to PPC!!!!!

Um.. MorphOS has been in developement for way longer than OS4. MorphOS was also ahead of it when they started the work and to me it now looks like OS4 has progressed past MorphOS in terms of both features and usability.

Though i do agree with some of your other points.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #88 on: September 14, 2006, 02:40:38 PM »
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Neither are a company that gross over 1/2 million per year, so by Bill's own words he is not interested in dealing with them.

Which on a side note is interesting... Considering probably the last time Amiga Inc themselves grossed 1/2 million per year was 1994, the year Commodore went bankrupt


If I was in position of McEwen, why I should be interested to deal with companies without substantial money/revenue? Amiga Inc is now in position to control OS4 hardware and they can ask what they want. No money, no hardware. I hate to say this but seems McEwen knows what he is doing.
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Re: Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)
« Reply #89 from previous page: September 14, 2006, 02:54:01 PM »
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If I was in position of McEwen, why I should be interested to deal with companies without substantial money/revenue? Amiga Inc is now in position to control OS4 hardware and they can ask what they want. No money, no hardware. I hate to say this but seems McEwen knows what he is doing.

And how can McEwen expect that a bigger company will invest in AmigaOS when you consider the small community and how little there is to earn. The few Amiga only companies left actually basicly only earn enough to keep the store going and some even have to have a job on side. I think most people involved in the Amiga scene today does it as a hobby and because they love the platform.

Saying that you need to earn half a million a year, is like dooming it all to death. There is no one in the amiga scene with these kinds of money today.