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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #119 from previous page: October 14, 2003, 07:06:30 AM »
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If Genesi need a license from Amiga inc to get OS4 ported to the Peg, isn't suing them in a rather public manner something of a retrograde step?


Why would Genesi need to license it? They just manufacture the board. Couldn't Some third party have genesi build the boards, slap a AmigaOne badge on it and resell it themselves licensed as an AmigaOne? (Like Eyetech does)

That should be possible, but Amiga Inc is ignoring requests to do this, Seehund was right on the money about the license scheme limiting options once more boards appear.


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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #120 on: October 14, 2003, 08:00:24 AM »
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The hardware manufacturer supplies all the drivers, Hyperion test and certify them, and the manufacturer pays a certification fee


So you'd be happy if the hardware manufacture had to do all the work and pay a fee?

But you somehow think it's unfair that Hyperion is offering to do all the work and there may or may not be a fee?

WTF??
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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #121 on: October 14, 2003, 09:38:34 AM »
@All

This is what Fleecy just posted over on AW.net
(The original post can be found here AW.net Fleecy Post)

It is all very simple and has been explained countless times. The fact that it is still being presented as something else gives our legal department great cause for concern.

AmigaOS (and AmigaDE) are commercial products. As a result we have to measure whether there is business opportunity in expending our limited resources to put them on new platforms. This means that when we are approached about such a possibility, we will only move to a formal evaluation when the company or organisation presents us with both full technical specifications and samples, and also with full business plans, including predicted sales and marketing plans.

Only then can we measure whether it is worth our effort. After all, no one is going to sign a contract where we have to support a platform that requires huge resources in exchange for poor sales, or where it is technically unfeasible (or even impossible). For example someone can't sign a contract for putting AmigaDE on a handheld and then demand that it means we also agree to put it onto any device they chose, whether it be an electric toothbrush or a custom vector core super computer.

A formal approach for an AmigaDE port would first of all require that the Tao-Group support the host, either in HW or SW deployment mode. It would then require that the device actually be available and selling in numbers that provide a business opportunity.

A formal approach for the AmigaOS would first of all require that the product be a PPC platform. It would then require that the device actually be available and selling in numbers that provide a business opportunity.

AmigaOS4.0 is not a shrinkwrapped product. It is sold with a motherboard only, and thus comes with a system. Any company wishing to sell AmigaOS4.0 has to thus provide both technical and business information that provides a decent profit for both sides otherwise there is no point. Only a madman would engage in business activity to make a loss.

For the AmigaOS4.0 product in general, we have only limited resources to apply to it. Once AmigaOS4.0 is finished, the majority of those resources will move forwards to the AmigaOS4.1 and/or AG2 platforms. This will leave a small group of resources with the responsibility of moving the AmigaOS4.0 out across different products. Given that these resources are limited, our decision on which platforms and products to support will be strictly on a money making basis.

As for the AmigaOne, AmigaOne is an exclusive trademark which belongs to Eyetech Ltd. They are the only ones who can manufacture and sell a product called the AmigaOne. They can sell these products on to dealers who can then sell AmigaOnes.

This is the final, definitive comment on AmigaDE and AmigaOS4.0 concerning third parties and OEMs having it ported to their hardware. If you read anything else, it is not true and you should report it to us and the parties are mis-representing Amiga Inc in public.

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #122 on: October 14, 2003, 09:56:56 AM »
This is just hilarious, 'legal department' ?, HAH!
 

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #123 on: October 14, 2003, 10:26:41 AM »
Rassilon.. Oh, but it ain't official until it's on AmigaIncs own Web
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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #124 on: October 14, 2003, 10:33:50 AM »
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It is all very simple and has been explained countless times. The fact that it is still being presented as something else gives our legal department great cause for concern.


Yup, they're down the hall, first right, just passed the AOS5 development lab.... :roflmao:

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For example someone can't sign a contract for putting AmigaDE on a handheld and then demand that it means we also agree to put it onto any device they chose, whether it be an electric toothbrush or a custom vector core super computer.
 


Certianly, but if Amiga Inc. sign a contract for porting AmigaDE to a handheld *AND ANY FUTURE DEVICES*, then Amiga Inc. can't moan if that comanpy wants to make an electric tooth brush and port AmigaDE to it (which if I'm not mistaken was the sort of thing Mr McEwan was origianlly sprouting, Amiga on your fridge, cooker... blah blah blah...).

I think Mr Moss forgot to tow the company line there ;-)

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #125 on: October 14, 2003, 11:13:00 AM »
> I think Mr Moss forgot to tow the company line there

How do they explain the situation to prospective new lawyers???

Fleecy: We have this revolutionary new product, it's an OS that runs everywhere, we call it AmigaAnywhere. We want it to run on everything.

Lawyer: Ok, so what can I do for you?

Fleecy: Well, we're being sued.

Lawyer: Why are they sueing you?

Fleecy: Well, they want to run our OS on their hardware.

Lawyer: Ok, and what's the problem?

Fleecy: We don't want to.

Lawyer: Why not? Arn't you supposed to run everywhere? What about your contract?
...

How do they explain that to the Lawyers? It looks like to me, with the information that's public anyway, that Amiga's reluctance is personal, rather than business. Could this be the problem that drove the last law firm away?

I don't know, just talking out of my ass.

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #126 on: October 14, 2003, 11:27:15 AM »
@ To all anti Amiga Incs.

If I see the Amiga going PPC (AmigaOne) - and AmigaOS 4.0 being released....I'd say that Amiga Inc. did one hell of a job.......no matter what their official or legal status is. No matter if it was Hyperion or Eyetech doing all the stuff..........I don't belive they would have done it without Amiga Inc. ;-)
 

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #127 on: October 14, 2003, 11:32:54 AM »
Remember that before you laugh at them........they did something very very very good for the Amiga situation.

Show some respect please.......no matter how foolish they've made them selves look.
 

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #128 on: October 14, 2003, 11:33:06 AM »
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@ To all anti Amiga Incs.

If I see the Amiga going PPC (AmigaOne) - and AmigaOS 4.0 being released....I'd say that Amiga Inc. did one hell of a job.......no matter what their official or legal status is. No matter if it was Hyperion or Eyetech doing all the stuff..........I don't belive they would have done it without Amiga Inc. ;-)


No, Hyperion and  Eyetech did the "hell of a job". Amiga Inc. are the ones who consistantly stalled the development of a new Amiga system.

If Amiga Inc. had not beein in the way we would have had a new system much sooner.

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #129 on: October 14, 2003, 11:39:00 AM »
@ Bloodline

I belive that neither of us is a position to judge whether or not they did anything.....and it dosn't matter who did it.........THEY DID IT!!!!

That's the only thing that counts!

Maybe Hyperion and Eyetech is the workhorse........but it's Amiga Inc. who's got the overall plans and visions for the future which hopefully will lead to a great revival of the Amiga platform.......hopefully!
 

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #130 on: October 14, 2003, 11:44:10 AM »
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Some of the Mos crowd (not all) have gone on and on and bloody on about how bad OS4 is going to be and how smashing, great , super MOS is.... and now theyre crying foul play because they can't run OS4.

Stick with Morphos guys, it's much better, you've been telling us that for years.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny.


Sigh... Again someone from the "One Machine, One OS" crowd? I currently use 3 different operating systems on my Pegasos, to my greatest satisfaction. All three has it's strengths and weaknesses.

Luckily we're not living in the computer stone age where we had only one option. Pegasos has and will have plenty OS options - OS4 would be only one of them. Nice or ugly, good or bad, is still yet to be seen. If a port ever happens, that is.
 

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #131 on: October 14, 2003, 11:52:24 AM »
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@ Bloodline

I belive that neither of us is a position to judge whether or not they did anything.....and it dosn't matter who did it.........THEY DID IT!!!!

That's the only thing that counts!

Maybe Hyperion and Eyetech is the workhorse........but it's Amiga Inc. who's got the overall plans and visions for the future which hopefully will lead to a great revival of the Amiga platform.......hopefully!


From this statement I can only conclde that you are not aware of the last 3 years...

There are plenty of sources of information for you to look up, you will see that one of Amiga Inc.'s first announcments was to state that the Amiga computing platform was dead, and that AmigaDE was the future. This put pay to any AmigaOS for the PPC.

Then AmigaDE, or rather intent turned out to not be suitable for much other than as a system agnostic games platform.

So a massive U-Turn was made, and Amiga Inc. declared that AmigaOS 4 was in production. Fleecy even claimed to have seen it running, and on an AmigaONE no less... probably the same Amiga ONe that was being developed even after Eyetech had stated they were no longer working on an AmigaONE (they later decided to use the Terron PPC Boards instead, which makes more sense than the original thing they attempted to make).

You only have to read the court documents to find out what a massive mess Amiga In. made of this whole situation.

Had they put some dev money into an Amgia system from the word go, then an Amgia system would have been finished years ago... they screwed up.

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #132 on: October 14, 2003, 12:24:16 PM »
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So you'd be happy if the hardware manufacture had to do all the work and pay a fee?

But you somehow think it's unfair that Hyperion is offering to do all the work and there may or may not be a fee?

WTF??

Thank you for taking that out of context. It helps the debate no end.

I expect that people should supply first-line through to last line support for their own product. Therefore, if the hardware manufacturer wrote the drivers, anything either driver or hardware related should be handled by them. Anything else relating to the operating system should be handled by Hyperion. That is a responsibiliy a company accepts when they decide to develop a commercial OS.
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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #133 on: October 14, 2003, 12:35:27 PM »
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Certianly, but if Amiga Inc. sign a contract for porting AmigaDE to a handheld AND ANY FUTURE DEVICES, then Amiga Inc. can't moan if that comanpy wants to make an electric tooth brush and port AmigaDE to it (which if I'm not mistaken was the sort of thing Mr McEwan was origianlly sprouting, Amiga on your fridge, cooker... blah blah blah...).

If I remember correctly, from the details of the Thendic/Amiga Inc contract that have been published, the any future devices was at the discretion of Amiga Inc, ie if they didn't want to port it to the Genesi Pegabrush they didn't have to.

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Re: Pegasos running native OS4 apps?
« Reply #134 on: October 14, 2003, 12:40:52 PM »
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Remember that before you laugh at them........they did something very very very good for the Amiga situation.


You must be joking now? :-)

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Show some respect please.......no matter how foolish they've made them selves look.


There is nothing AI could do to regain the respect back. Nothing.