Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)

[KennyR]

Bhogget wrote:
Hehe. That sounds a heck of a lot like it would apply equally to both "sides" involved the recent "Amiga civil war".

True enough, but if AInc were a bit more open about their dealings (or at least less damning of anyone who DARES speculate in the gaping vacuum their silence leaves), the whole business card thing would have been a total non-issue.

[System]

@Kenny,

Despite how things may look, I'm not taking any side here.  There are very rudimentary problems with both Amiga Inc and Genesi, and I am not white washing or trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes here.

I can however state unequivocably that BBRV have both commonly called many people "idiots".  It is, in fact, one of their favorite words apparently.

This is no different than certain other people from Amiga Inc jumping into threads any time their name is mentioned to defend themselves by calling everyone else "liars".

Face it, where the professional leaves off, the person takes up, and people (beyond professionalism) say and do stupid things regardless of their "color".

Wayne

[System]

@Bhoggett,

That too worries me.  The timing of the sale (after Amiga Inc already had existing judgements standing against them) but that is a part of the soap opera that both you and I can only sit back and watch (thanks to Rich and Sam).

What do you think for a title?

"As the boing bounces"?

Hey, at least it'll make a good title for my next editorial.

[seer]

This to me is just like all the other statements coming from this side: accusitive, but not answering any of the real and prudent questions which we are all dying to know.

Really ? Compared to Fleecy's and Bill Buck's postings this was a very open and informative interview, IMHO

[System]

Really ? Compared to Fleecy's and Bill Buck's postings this was a very open and informative interview, IMHO

Agreed.  I make no assumptions (maybe I'm learning) about the.. erm.. level of honesty(?) contained therein -- everyone has their own perspective -- but it's nice to be told in what seems to be a forthright way exactly what's going on.

[seer]

The thing I was surprised about in this interview was that Gary also seemed to question some of Amiga Inc's legal decisions, if he was "like all the others" he would have just attacked Genesi.. Heck, he even seems not to hold anything against Bill about the business card incident.. If he can, why can't we ? (we = red, blue, purple, pink and dark sides of the Amiga community..)

[z5]

Well, I searched ANN, and Amiga.org, and even tried to search Moobunny, but nowhere have I found a statement by bbrv where he calls anyone an idiot - not even me, when I was heavily critical of him some year ago. Anyone who finds one can post a link, please. Such epithets are much more typical to spring to the mouths (or typing fingers) of a certain Hyperion employee and an AInc webmaster. Folks would do well to realise this before they fire up their demonization machinery.

Quite right there KennyR. Moron is more the word BBRV uses. Like the time he insulted Amiga.org visitors because they showed their support for OS4 in a forum topic.

I don't want to get mixed up in such discussions but when somebody calls me a moron just for showing support for a project, well... And that for a 'business' person and to potential customers. Tss..

[Lando]

So I blame Buck for say, about 99% of the problem and Hare for 1% due to his outsiderness

Hare admits misrepresents himself at a show by handing out business cards proclaiming him to be Chairman and CEO of Amiga Inc when he wasn't even employed by them.

If I dress up in a suit and go to C.E.S. handing out cards saying I am the new CEO of Apple, and somebody at the show gets my card and posts it to an Apple forum site as a news item, whose fault would the resulting confusion be?  Mine, for handing out cards or the person who takes the cards at face value and posts the news?

[seer]

Hare admits misrepresents himself at a show by handing out business cards proclaiming him to be Chairman and CEO of Amiga Inc when he wasn't even employed by them.


Read it again Lando, he clearly states he said he was considering joining Amiga..

Tho IMHO he shouldn't have handed out business cards, but that's not the point in your argument

Edit; should read better myself..  :-(  :-D


But to make it a bit less  :-(  why do people give other people's business cards away ? (Why did David Traub give away the card to Bill ?)

[boing]

I'm heartened by his accolades for Neely Gardner for his ethics.  But can a guy who worked for Disney, and advised Fortune 100 companies about Latin American "investments" really be that ethical?  Latin America has had all kinds of oppression since wayyy back, with much, if not most of it due to corporate interests rolling over the democratic interests of the residents there.  I hope he was advocating *ethical* behavior.

  I liked the BallBlazer and Fractalis references.


"KMOS, Inc. acquired the Operating System from Amiga, Inc. to bring full cross-platform, multimedia functionality to wired and wireless devices."

Sounds not so good.

When exactly, did Amiga Inc agree to sell the AmigaOS rights and when did they do so?


Itec has been an investor in Amiga since the purchase of the assets from Gateway. It remains an investor today. Itec is also the Senior (first place) Secured Creditor of Amiga Inc. KMOS purchased the OS asset from Itec.

Sounds like Itec got tired of waiting for Moss/McEwen to start shipping products and making a profit. So they had to sell the OS.

It's going to get weird if Amiga Inc owns the name, but not the AmigaOS.  Thank you Fleecy and Bill.  WTF!?  

And doesn't Hare check his spelling or syntax or grammar before sending his replies back to the interviewer?  Not professional looking, especially from an academic.  Hope he is more careful in the future.


If I remember correctly, it was a horoscope title

Sounds more like a Mac community bit of crapware.  Horoscopes..WTF!??


I quickly responded that as long as there was litigation between the companies he would have to communicate through legal counsel.

Maybe I'm unwashed but that seems a tad unfriendly.

What exactly did the business card look like or say?  If Hare was not the Amiga CEO, did he, and why would his card say he was the CEO back in 2003?  I don't know who to believe here.  I don't think any of this bruhaha would have come about if Hare's cards were accurate and honest.  I can't see how one can blame Buck for Hare's questionable self-made business card calling himself Amiga CEO.

What would Neely Gardner do?

DE running on Linux could open a broader market. It could be a good thing for Amiga and the DE developers.

But is it good for the Amiga as a computer?  If it pays for hardware development, fine.


I do think it's worthy of note that so far, the PegasOS fleet is closer to being a success than anything else from other companies so far.


Early the next morning we got going. The work group asked what I would like to see. Proving I had no idea what I was talking about, I asked for every post on every board from the November 2000 date of the original agreement. There was a very long pause. One of the guys finally asked if I had any idea how many posts that meant. I guessed, "probably a couple hundred".

Uhhhh.  This guy hasn't got a clue about the Amiga, does he?


Greg's posts were always thoughtful, well written and useful. His, "Who is the OEM?" post became the foundation for an entire legal argument

Open source legal strategy?  :-)

[Targhan]

I'm more concerned about the customers who were burned over the T-Shirt deal.  If the dates are correct, the T-Shirts were still being sold after the acquisition (though not the lifetime membership). This would put KMOS in the precarious position of knowing that another company was using their product to push a fraudulent item, and it wouldn't bode well for them.

Everyone knows I'm using blue's clues, but that doesn't mean my friends on the red-side don't deserve to get what they paid for.  IMHO, this is more important than any misunderstanding about a business card.

I'm sorry Wayne; I know the business card issue is something of a sore spot with you.  I really didn't want to take away from that, but I am concerned about those friends of mine who bought into the T-Shirt thing.

[ottomobiehl]

Interesting.

[T_Bone]

> Read it again Lando, he clearly states he said he was considering joining Amiga..

I think that he actually accepted, or made it known that he was going too. Remember, Bill McEwen testified in tronmans court case that Garry Hare was the CEO. Either Bill was blatantly Lying, or Garry was fully expected to BE the CEO.

[seer]

Either Bill was blatantly Lying, or Garry was fully expected to BE the CEO.

Could be, the interview doesn't say really.. Maybe they (Gary and Amiga Inc) to signing a contract when something else happened..

Anyway, like Gary said; why are we still talking about it ?  :-)

[Paul_Gadd]

Question 53: Is the mere possession of a fake ID (but not the use of one) a crime?

Answer: Yes it is a crime to possess a fake ID. Using the fake I.D. is also a crime and getting caught using it will get you arrested.

The definition of a crime is doing something that is against the law. By holding a fake I.D. you are committing a crime and therefore breaking the law.

The guy outright broke the law and everyone seems to defend him.

Q: Are you the Amiga Inc CEO as stated on this card?

A: Garry says No (he broke the law end of story)

[Mikey_C]

Well, I have always maintained that the card was a fake.

Although it actually physically exists, it is still a fake. I have never called Wayne a liar, I just always maintained the card was a fake.

If I gave the impression I did, I apologise.

Having said that, we only have one man to thank for causing so much trouble with the original fake story.

No, I don't mean Garry Hare. I mean the man who called the people who supported Hyperion, Morons.

It's sad that it took so long, for the truth to come out, but as Michael Garibaldi said, the Truth  does always come out, sooner or later.