Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)

[jd997uk]

@Martyn

Heh, thanks, but I sorta got there in the end. I see you went down the Italian route. Seems to have give a cleaner result than mine.

Printing it now (17 pages) for the journey home.

Cheers

-john

[seer]

In was inarguable to me that the card I held in my hand was "real"

I for one am very glad this nonsense is cleared up at last.. Seems both sides told part of the truth (as usual?).. Tho I fail to see why Bill Buck did what he did.. (Yes yes, to spread FUD.. Even if this is so, he could have known it would not work out in his benefit/gain but a loss.)

[seer]

Gary:Only recently did I discover what a moo bunny was

The poor man... :lol:

[Rassilon]

@jd997uk

the only prob is that Sutton blocks translation websites!!!!

Lewis

[System]

Vincent,

I don't believe anyone said that exactly.  It's certainly Bill Buck's fault that "the business card incident" was blown to such proportions, and I will openly admit and apologize for the fact that I was played as a pawn in respect to the card fiasco (though I did have the card for a short while).  

I won't even try to defend Buck on it, but at least on my part, I can only apologize and hope that everyone understands that we all make mistakes.  In perspective, it's very easy when you're already at odds with one side of the equation to accept the story presented by the other side.

The fact still remains that Garry DID hand them out, so he is at least partly responsible for the situation hence it's not 100% Bill Buck's fault.  More than likely that Garry was simply unaware of the implications that handing out such a business card would create within the conspiracy mindedness of this community.  

Conversely, Buck -- being the PR pusher that he is -- saw this as another way to seperate the community and drive people towards the Pegasos.  In that, he succeeded, no matter the long-term "losses".

Garry even so much as said he really had no idea about the Amiga community until recently..  I only hope after such a seemingly open and honorable interview that we don't corrupt him as we seem to have done with everyone else involved.

Wayne

[redrumloa]

I only hope we don't corrupt him as we seem to have done with everyone else involved.

We corrupt them? :roflmao:

[System]

We corrupt them?

I certainly believe that we (the community) cause distraction which doesn't help.  Look how tightly wound Gary, Ray, and a couple of others are into watching everything we type...  :-)

Wayne

[Targhan]

/me Twitches uh oh.. more community talk... :lol:

[System]

Don't twitch.  No need.  Just watch and have fun.

[Ivan]

Love ya Wayne.


Ivan

[restore2003]

Im happy Garry isn`t a man with big promises :-)
A down-to-earth man, with sense of humour
:-)

A good combination  :pint:

[Vincent]

@Wayne

Because of Garry Hare's unfortunate oblivion (I mean that in a nice way) to the actual Amiga community I do agree it was partly his fault.  But he has had no experience of this community, so he had absolutely no idea what the implications would be.  So, I don't really blame him for the mess that was created.

But looking at his answer to the question, to me it sounds as if Bill Buck wanted to tell the world that Amiga had a new CEO, he went to a little bother just trying to get the business card and then put it out on the web.

Now, Mr William Hamilton Buck knows first hand what this community is like.  He would have known full well what would ensue if the business card and the words "Amiga" and "CEO" got out to the community.  

This incident just proves to me that he is not in it for the community, he's in it for Pegasos sales.  Now, that is all well and good, but splitting the community is not going to help.

So I blame Buck for say, about 99% of the problem and Hare for 1% due to his outsiderness :-)

[KennyR]

Martyn wrote:
Which 'side' are you referring to and why? Just curious.

The 'side' thats perpetually secretive, patronising, condescending; the 'side' that deals with criticism first by first denying it then trying to turn it back and making out the accusers to be the bad ones; the 'side' that makes Q&As about products they've already sold without telling anyone. The side that will not change no matter who is in charge.

And I know it hasn't changed, just by reading this 'interview'. This to me is just like all the other statements coming from this side: accusitive, but not answering any of the real and prudent questions which we are all dying to know.

I have to love this:

""A while later we added a third category; anyone Mr. Buck had called an "idiot". In most cases these "idiots" were computer enthusiasts not industry professionals."

Well, I searched ANN, and Amiga.org, and even tried to search Moobunny, but nowhere have I found a statement by bbrv where he calls anyone an idiot - not even me, when I was heavily critical of him some year ago. Anyone who finds one can post a link, please. Such epithets are much more typical to spring to the mouths (or typing fingers) of a certain Hyperion employee and an AInc webmaster. Folks would do well to realise this before they fire up their demonization machinery.

In summary: same old rubbish, different name.

[bhoggett]

I have no real problem with the business card explanation, having been convinced of its authenticity from the start (I saw two separate scans - Wayne's and Bill Buck's, I presume - and one of them had clearly captured what was a small pencil mark at the top of the card. It was unlikely that someone had faked that.)

What I'm less convinced about is the motivation behind the purchase, the reason for keeping it under wraps until now, and just who is involved in this whole thing. To me it still sounds very much like IP laundering is the only creditable motivation.

The explanation that the Amiga Inc investors were getting rid of non-core assets (supported by various individuals) is quite laughable. It's not so much a case of Amiga Inc getting rid of AmigaOS as AmigaOS getting rid of Amiga Inc.

As for Mr Hare, I will reserve judgement. Once upon a time I used to think that people should be given support unless they do something to lose it. Those days are gone. Now respect needs to be earned, and Mr Hare has his work cut out before he can say he has done that.

[bhoggett]

The 'side' thats perpetually secretive, patronising, condescending; the 'side' that deals with criticism first by first denying it then trying to turn it back and making out the accusers to be the bad ones.

Hehe. That sounds a heck of a lot like it would apply equally to both "sides" involved the recent "Amiga civil war".

[KennyR]

Bhogget wrote:
Hehe. That sounds a heck of a lot like it would apply equally to both "sides" involved the recent "Amiga civil war".

True enough, but if AInc were a bit more open about their dealings (or at least less damning of anyone who DARES speculate in the gaping vacuum their silence leaves), the whole business card thing would have been a total non-issue.