Genesi Won Lawsuit against Amiga Inc.

[B00tDisk]

Let's see...consulting ye auld Crystal Ball here...I forsee that Hyperion will say that this is why they can't complete OS4*, Genesis uses this as an inroad to take control of what's left of the "Amiga" name/corporation and shortly thereafter disposes of it, from there on out it's MOS all the way...

Yep.  Just you wait.

*if it's not out in the next 2-4 weeks it won't ever be released, folks.

[weirdami]

:-( I surely hope this isn't true.

In case it is, can someone tell me or point me to something I can read that tells what the lawsuit was in the first place? Was this the one where Amiga forgot to renew the trademarks or what? What is it that Genesi is claiming agains Amiga?

But, I agree with Xand. If it's posted on Genesi's site, then there's some doubt as to it's truthfulness. Here's me waiting to see and hoping it's a hoax.

[KennyR]

For all those defending Amiga Inc: what have you got to thank them for? A DE disaster, an OS delayed more every month, a licencing scheme seemingly designed to squeeze as much money out of the community as possible while chasing off all its users, lies, prevarication, delaying tactics, con tactics and most of the time just deadening silence. Do yourselves a favour, drop Amiga Inc like the useless outfit they are. Amiga Inc is NOT Amiga.

Second point, the conspiracy theories some of you are coming out with are plain silly. What what Genesi gain by destroying OS4 even if they wanted to? Huge unpopularity, that's all - people who want to buy OS4 wouldn't run and buy Pegasos in droves instead, would they??

I wouldn't care who finally broke Amiga Inc. Actually I'd prefer it not to be Genesi, because then it will poison public opinion of them even more than all the FUD. But someone had to take a sledghammer to that huge millstone that is AInc and I'm glad this is yet the heaviest blow.

[Jose]

"...and the full use of the Amiga trademarks"

?!!! How come? Wasn't this about DE only? If this is true there will be major confusion in the old users that will be interested in the new Amigas.
 I remember Bill Buck saying Genesi had NO interest in the trademark, so let's see if he was telling the truth about it.
Is this news posted with intend to lead to misinterpretation as has happened already? I'm particularly refering to this: "...including source code access to the licensed Amiga operating system".
Or maybe AInc was calling DE AmigaOS, as they were doing when they bought the rights to the trademark.

I suggest everyone to wait and see what actually this is all about: AmigaDE vs AmigaOS , and WICH trademarks are they granted to use.
But if they get the Amiga, or AmigaOS trademark, not just the DE one this will have major impact that's for sure.

I'm getting sympathy for NO company. Just another thing that makes me go Linux.

[Gopal]

@KennyR

I thank Amiga Inc for making the decision to take AmigaOS from 68k to PPC. They never broke any promises, AmigaOS is not delayed, it´s in development and will be released when it´s done. Just as Hyperion promised us.

AmigaDE is a fantastic concept, I don´t blame Amiga Inc for missed business opportunities. It´s a hard market.

"lies, prevarication, delaying tactics, con tactics"

Please back up your claim with a link to a lie, some con tactics or such. I believe you are the liar here.

[TheMagicM]

I thought the lawsuit was about getting AmigaDE and thats it? right?

[bloodline]

Love the Amiga, look forward to OS4, Bash Genesi, Hate MorphOS... Whatever!

But please please do not defend Amiga Inc. They are crooks who hijacked a brand name, and are now getting what they deserve.

[Warface]

My gosh, like a bunch of religious fanatics... Most of you don't have the slightest clue what this lawsuit was about.

There is a _signed_ contract between Amiga Inc and Genesi, this lawsuit just enforces Amiga Inc to act according to it's contents.

The contract is about porting AmigaDE to future products of Genesi, including the Pegasos - which Amiga Inc refused. Now - given that the news item is true - the judge granted Genesi access to AmigaDE, and granted them the opportunity to PAY MONEY to Amiga Inc. Simple as that.

[KennyR]

Gopal wrote:
I thank Amiga Inc for making the decision to take AmigaOS from 68k to PPC.

Then you are thanking the wrong people. Phase5 made the decision to switch to PPC. Amiga Inc was busy promising new OS4 and OS5 stuff that was fantasy and most of which still is. And the DE which they decided to do instead had really very little to do with the Amiga.

"lies, prevarication, delaying tactics, con tactics"

Lies: "OS4 is the next version of the Amiga OS, it's a total rewrite of the operating system. It's brand new from the ground up, rewritten for the PPC hardware. And it's bloody fast. It's currently in beta testing at 20 external sites, and it's just about ready to go ? in three more weeks. The components are ready, we just have to plug them together and go." - Bill McEwen.

That and his infamous "30,000 AmigaDE developers" quote. I have loads of these. Shall I go on?

Prevarication and delaying tactics: The Ask Fleecy Q&A, the only Q&A in the world that doesn't actually manage to definitively answer anything.

Con tactics: The great t-shirts scam: taking $50 and not delivering either coupons or t-shirts. These will never be delivered because Amiga Inc does not have the money to do so, even before this lawsuit.

[Argo]

Yes, the contract was for Thendic-France's use of AmigaDE on it's devices as listed in an appendix of the licence contract. A clause in another section of the contract stiplifies how other Thendic-France products maybe added to the list.
Thendic-France/Genesi's lawsuit was that Amiga, Inc. violated the contract by not allowing, as according to the contract, the addition of the Pegasos motherboard.
The judge seems to agree with Genesi. We will just have to wait abit to see what the actually wording of the decision is. Also, if there will be an appeal.

[Argo]

I thought it was 3000 AmigaDE developers.

[Jose]

@KennyR
"..while chasing off all its users"

LOL! Sorry couldn't help it. Where did that happend?
I hated them when they were ditching AmigaOS and just using the tradmarks to do their own thing. But most of the reasons you point out now are the direct result of the company having no resources. I'm pretty sure they're not broke by their own will.

By the way, FFS how come Genesi doesn't win anything? They are direct competitors! Even if they gain some haters and gain bad reputation within the Amiga community the trademark is still VERY usablle marketwise.

[KennyR]

Jose wrote:
@KennyR
"..while chasing off all its users"

LOL! Sorry couldn't help it. Where did that happend?

About the part where they announced 800 dollar motherboards. And of course, by starting OS4 for real so damn late and alienating all of the people who already had code and the skills.

By the way, FFS how come Genesi doesn't win anything? They are direct competitors!

Wrong.

[B00tDisk]

I'm sorry, I shouldn'tve said "...and the full use of", rather, full control of as in the right to bury the Amiga once and for all.

Oh, I hate AInc as well as Genesis, (and for that matter, Escom, Quikpak, Commodore etc. etc.), but I've got a feeling this is the camel's nose under the tent for Genesis, at any rate.

[Jose]

@KennyR

"About the part where they announced 800 dollar motherboards. And of course, by starting OS4 for real so damn late and alienating all of the people who already had code and the skills."

Yeah, some stuff there, but that's not like "chasing all the users". My time to ask you. What would they gain by making false announcements?

The MOS as AOS4 deal didn't come up for BOTH companies not being able to reach an agreement. That's all we know. I'm pretty sure it's easy to imagine valid reasons for both sides.

    "By the way, FFS how come Genesi doesn't win anything? They are direct competitors!

Wrong."

What's your reasoning then? Fighting for a trademark and OS is not competing?. There might be more implications for this than just the DE deal you know, mostly if they get to use some trademarks, like AmigaOS. Unless they are lying in their announcement and it's not about "the full use of the Amiga trademarks" after all.

[Argo]

You can read our editorial on the litigation here:
The Downward Spiral of Amiga, Inc.

You can reach the court documents obtained by Rich Woods and made public here.

You can view the contract here starting on page 4.