Rebol for MorphOS

[bbrv]

MarkTime, we will work on turning this non-event into one.

;-)

R&B

[System]

@marktime,

Getting Carl Sassenrath and RJ Mical to consider the Pegasos on the same weekend is very much an "event".  What else would you need to qualify as an "event"?

REBOL on MorphOS has literally tons of potential.  It taps the "geek" market (which develops thousands of applications) and has the same degree of importance to MorphOS -- and the others -- that AREXX made to the original Amiga platform.  

Using REBOL on MorphOS, anyone can develop an application for every platform out there.  Isn't that the same thing Amiga DE was SUPPOSED to do, except without having to learn C and having to deal with all the obsessive licencing and control issues?

Wayne Hunt

[downix]

I've used REBOL before, found it quite easy to use and scalable.  Heck, several projects ago, I was even talking to Carl about using it in the OS for the project.  

What I find interesting is that folk ask what it can do, when appropriately the answer is "what do you want to do with it?"

[bloodline]

I haven't found a use for REBOL yet, because I can't really understand it (due my short commings, rather than REBOLs).

I assume it's like AREXX (something that I never found a great deal of use for either, though I understand the usefullness)


-Edit- I removed the outdated parts of this post (Cheers Wayne).

And when are we gonna see an AROS port of REBOL then, (Gotta keep the plugs going) :-P

[System]

@bloodline

You are correct.  My apologies, edited.

[DaveP]

REBOL on MorphOS has literally tons of potential. It taps the "geek" market (which develops thousands of applications) and has the same degree of importance to MorphOS -- and the others -- that AREXX made to the original Amiga platform.

I think that is a highly questionable statement. I've followed REBOLs progress since the first publically visible beginnings and I fail to see a takeup of REBOL on other
platforms that compares to the central role that AREXX took to dabbling and system automation.

Maybe it will take off on MorphOS for want of something better or more ubiquitous, however as for tapping the geek market, I don't see that tap producing anything other than a tiny trickle.

REBOL is yet to become as pervasive as it could potentially do and in the meantime there are other favourites of each operating system.

[MarkTime]

You know Wayne, I almost thought about editing my reply to not say it was a 'non-event'...but then I got busy, and never got back to changing it.

Anyway, I use language fairly precisely, which is why I thought about changing it, but also why it wasn't very imprecise in the first place.

An event is an actual occurance...the event will come when this dream is a reality.  I suppose you could say a 'consideration of pegasos' is an event in itself....but I called it a nonevent, on the first pass.  It's like whatever Carl ate for breakfast, is a nonevent to me, what he considered over the weekend, is a nonevent to me...

It is good that Carl and RJ 'considered' something...good, cool.

I got Rebol when it was first released, and have kept up with it ever since.

But I know the difference between something thats good for me, and something thats good for Genesi.

For example Rebol running as a cross OS solution, for FreeBSD, Linux, and MorphOS, is great for someone who needs a cross OS solution, a hardware vendor like Genesi, as an example.

it is however meaningless to someone like me who is only considering MorphOS as being Amiga-like,a nd Linux and FreeBSD as being other operating systems outside this community, and my interest.

more argument for nonevent.

But its not totally meaningless or really a complete nonevent, in any case, because even just a PPC version of Rebol for MorphOS is something, not nothing at all.

I was being too dramatic about it....

[dammy]

Marktime, then why did you even post on here then if to you it's a nonevent?  I don't understand your reasoning for your posts on this thread.

Dammy

[cecilia]

anytime someone with intelligence and talent decides to do something, that is an event.

[SHADES]

@cecilia

What the heck??

My dog does doo doo's in my backyard and that's an event. It happened, it had consequenses, mainly I had to go scoop, but it prevented full use of the backyard.
I fail to see how intelegence or tallent is relevent in expressing what an event is.

Mind you some of those doo doo's had serious talent...... )

All I will say is, good on em, and whatever.

Maybe AI will incorperate their own thing. Who cares. As long as the OS does what YOU want it too, it's going to be just what you wanted.

I like how MOS get's all the AMIGA kudos though, and kudos to them

[Targhan]

@SHADES  :lol:  

@The Topic:

Here is one of the reasons this is relevent...  First, assume that REBOL makes a succesful appearance on MorphOS.  With that, people will want to use REBOL.  MorphOS will see REBOL become part of the SDK.  This will likely be enough of a push to convince the powers that be to fund a REBOL parser for MorphED, which leads directly back to GoldED.  

Since Dietmar is so talented, he could even develop a nifty toolbar to run the REBOL script from GoldED.  NOW, we have a REBOL development system for all of OUR Amiga-Like systems.  Thus, by one "corner" of this "split" community getting something, we can all be helped.

While I know my post is a little on the hopeful (or eternally optimistic) side, I think it is feasable.  I know this chain of events isn't here, but it is not a stretch of the imagination by any means.

:-)  It. Is. Good. :-)

[cecilia]

My dog does doo doo's in my backyard and that's an event.

hmmm. i talk about intelligence and talent. and you're talkin' doo doo.

ok, whatever floats yer boat!
:lol:

[SHADES]

@ cecilia
No, you were talking about what describes an event. I dissagree with that statement. It doesn't take intelligence to make an event, or a memorable one even.
Anyway, it's off topic.

@Targhan
I dunno, I suppose it's a good thing, it just seems that more and more MorphOS is aimed specificly at the AMIGA user and tries to take it's small userbase.  I'm sure they all thought about it for hours at end on the implications that may be made by marketing the OS as like an AMIGA type OS then brining into it the developers of the AMIGA OS etc...
Not a conspiricy theory, it seem quite plain to me. And fine if fighting for the AMIGA user base is what they want, they are doing a dandy job.

there is plenty of room for many opperating systems and it's AMIGA's history for people to try and bury it. I hope it survives this time. But I am pro AMIGA so I am biased. You may be pro MorphOs, as so on, and so forth.

To me Morph OS is more like AROS (Amiga Replacement Opperating System) than AROS is.

That's not a direct comparison mind you, I know they are completely different, but it seems the way morphOs is geared. Carl S. Geez.  Maybe we can port REBOL to OS4 too

I'm sure it's a great thing for Morph Os I agree. It's sort of an "In Your Face" to the AMIGA users though.

[downix]

@SHADES

can the conspiracy theories.

[greenboy]

I'm sure to some people it IS kind of in-your-face threatening. But many of you would have felt much differently if nothing Amiga-migrational occurred with Hyperion (or someone else).

When MorphOS was started it really was the only game in town for people with an interest in Amiga software  compatibility that was to run on the processor many people said they wanted to use, and having started at a time when absoultely NO INTEREST was shown by the owners of the name, it was a good thing to many that the MorphOS crew took the risk and did the work. If you think they will NOW quit their interest and their business just because some people are uncomfortable with a Butterfly around after having sucked on the teet of a Boing Ball for so long, you just don't understand that THEY too have been passionate about a path for lovers of the Amiga.

But it doesn't have to make people crazy, angry, mean-spirited, or disenheartened. It's just a computer platform with a lot of interest to many of the remaining people of the Amiga neighborhood. Actually, for it to go forward for many years, more important is what can be done with the Pegasos in the outside world, using other OSes, and we see REBOL as a good addition to the multi-OS strategy, starting with MorphOS - but not stopping there.

[SHADES]

@greenboy
I agree. Moving forward is productive, but before this turns into debate on which is better, the OS of the platform AMIGA has been moving forward, 1.0 1.2 2.0 2.1 3.0 3.1 3.5 3.9 and now 4.0 promised with new hardware base.

Even Microsoft is threatened my Linux.

It's not crazy or mean spirited to have a commmuninty of people passionate about their platform. If it wasn't for that passion, there would be no AMIGa or probabaly Morph OS either. So I don't see it as really a need for debate. It's a natural reaction for anyone defending something they have passion for.  
If I took Linus T from Linux over to Microsoft to help with development of the opperating system, do you think the Linux community would be happy? Do you think they would see that as a positive step perhaps?

If Morph OS is indeed there to migrate users over to a better platform, why are we divided? why is there need to debate ? is it forward or sideways. It's not really AMIGA OS, neither is Be.
I'm not being mean and I'm sure they won't stop their company, they are making money and creating their own user base.