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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #119 from previous page: September 24, 2003, 04:18:09 PM »
@Russell,

Good article.  This is quality journalism.  It really displays well, why an independent site, like Amiga.org can do the best job of presenting amiga news, and fansites like some of the 'competitors' to this site, and fan magazines, like the competitor to amiga.org magazine, simply cannot provide this level of journalism.

They are so intent on believing Genesi is their competitor, that they then conclude their own mentioning of Genesi makes them balanced.  That if they don't attack Genesi, they have a right to expect their own dark history to itself, be ignored.

I never before believed that Amiga.org was capable of taking a principled stand and giving light to the truth...and many people did not know the truth, certainly many new comers and occasional readers of the site, needed this article.

@Miffy,

You believe in free speech but not the right to be rude?   Then you don't believe in a free speech at all, my friend.  You believe in very censored speech.

How is someone supposed to pass your judgement of rude?

It is, of course, not wise to be rude, but to outlaw it, is absurdity.  Not everyone has the same capacity to express themselves in words...when they are rude they leave the impression, in my mind, that they lack the refinement and education to express themselves in a more eloquent manner....and thats hardly a good impression.  But I wouldn't have people start taking intelligence tests before they can speak.

If you don't believe in the right to be rude, you don't believe, or understand the concepts behind free speech at all.  I didn't listen to anything else you said after you made that comment.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #120 on: September 24, 2003, 04:26:37 PM »
Poster: JamesR Date: 2003/9/24 7:16:28


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Thanks, I'm glad you liked the article. It hurt to write it; honestly, I used to be a champion of AI; now I'm just depressed. Pegasos = eh. I'm not red or blue, not even purple. Now I'm just gray.


Have you tried AROS lately?  :-D

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #121 on: September 24, 2003, 04:27:17 PM »
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the reason that Genesi's attempt at getting the trademark should have been mentioned is because of exactly what you said:

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Genesi did it to cause trouble for Amiga inc


If you go and search ann.lu around that time, you will find a thread called "Pegasos trademark infringement" or something like that, a post that said that Genesi had not registered trademarks for neither Pegasos nor Genesi, a post with *the only single purpose* of causing FUD and throwing mud at Genesi and the Pegasos computer.

Inside that thread, someone (not Genesi) got the idea to do a search for the Amiga trademark, and then found out that in fact the Amiga trademark had expired! So as a funny (IMO and quite suitable) response to the original trolling post, they filled in an application for the Amiga trademark and sent it in. They sort of "turned the situation around".

But in no way did that cause any troubles for Amiga Inc in real life. How could it? Registering trademarks is not done in an afternoon (especially not when a previous owner has just been using it, they are first in line for a renewal), it's a process, and Genesi knew that they would not *actually get* the trademark that way. So no, Genesi did not cause Amiga Inc any troubles, if Amiga Inc experienced any kind of troubles because of themselves not renewing the trademark in time, it's their own fault, and nothing Genesi could affect in any way. Amiga Inc made their own bed!

This was just a funny and suitable response to an agression. If that first trolling post about Pegasos trademarks had not been posted by some "red troll", then "Amiga Inc trademark story" would never had happened. You know, this is a hilarious example of how "agression comes back to you"!
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #122 on: September 24, 2003, 04:43:35 PM »
@takemehomegrandma

It may have been a red troll as you put it who pointed out that Genesi had not registered Pegsos or Genesi, but it was bbrv that tried to register the Amiga trademark.

It may not have caused major troubles for Amiga Inc, but it was 1 extra trouble on top of what they already had. Some could call that malicious.

Its not even good business practice, because as you again put it
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Genesi knew that they would not *actually get* the trademark
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So their only motivation was to cause trouble.

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #123 on: September 24, 2003, 04:54:45 PM »
Poster: Tigger Date: 2003/9/24 11:06:08

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I'm sorry you are very confused, the debt to the Party Pack people and the CAM people is a debt for Amiga Inc, how do you think that is not true??? Why do you think that they have to sue Amiga Inc for this to be a debt???



Dave had stomach surgery so he's got to be on some pretty heavy meds (that's got to be on of the more painful operations out there) so he's not thinking too clearly.  Yes, shock and horror, I'm defending DaveP, but he has a legit excuse for his lack of logic.

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #124 on: September 24, 2003, 04:57:45 PM »
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #125 on: September 24, 2003, 04:59:33 PM »
@Wayne

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We're hosted by rackshack.net on


'We're'.. exactly... you as a genesi employee.. are hosted on etc... nuff said
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #126 on: September 24, 2003, 05:09:15 PM »
@Bill:

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It looks like an editorial to me.


Agreed.

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Editorials have always been posted in the "News" section


As I've already said, my mistake.
My memory isn't that great - when was the last editorial posted on the front page?


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and this one happens to be particularly factual.


Apart from the 'coupon' part. ;-)

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #127 on: September 24, 2003, 05:12:17 PM »
This is not news, it´s telling the genesis side of things one more time. Please take time to tell us all the crap genesis did to put Amiga Inc. in bad light.
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   This is the things that AI did to show AI in a bad light. Maybe an article that shows what Genesi did to show themselves would be in order.

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #128 on: September 24, 2003, 05:17:20 PM »
@skyraker

Nice attempt at pedantic trolling.  I could go back and edit the line to say "Amiga.org is" but you know damned well what I meant.  I still consider myself a member of this Website, even though I'm not an admin.  It's a hard-earned habit over the last 8 years that I ran the Web site.

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #129 on: September 24, 2003, 05:24:01 PM »
Skyraker wrote:
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'We're'.. exactly... you as a genesi employee.. are hosted on etc... nuff said

That's borderline trolling, in my opinion - but, for the sake of keeping this thread as open as possible to comments as other moderators have suggested, I'm not going to edit your post.  However, please know that you should tread carefully!  I'm very sure you know that Wayne meant Amiga.org is hosted on rackshack.net, not what you are implying with your post.

@ James, very well written article!!
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #130 on: September 24, 2003, 05:30:01 PM »
@JamesR

Thanks, for writing this story.

I makes me feel when I remember that this is only part of the long Amiga saga, that included Commodore, Viscorp, Escom (Amiga Technologies), Quickpak, Gateway, Amiga Inc., various hardware partners, various software partners, and various rivals.

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #131 on: September 24, 2003, 05:33:05 PM »
Thanks, MarkTime. I tried really hard to keep the story balanced; looks like my Bachelor's in Journalism paid off. :-D
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #132 on: September 24, 2003, 05:38:42 PM »
This isn't exactly a surprise.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #133 on: September 24, 2003, 05:55:39 PM »
Here's what I don't understand. Amiga Inc has apparently been without offices, without money to pay employees and in severe debt for months and months, yet they still somehow exist. Most companies would have been long gone, yet somehow Amiga Inc lingers. Something doesn't add up here. Personally, I think this article is mostly ####.

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #134 on: September 24, 2003, 05:59:24 PM »
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Good article James, well written.
What's so good about it? It's just a collection of all the blue camp trolling that's gone on in the past couple of years. The article could be renamed to: A Summary Of the MorphOS Camp Trolling

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