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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #149 from previous page: September 24, 2003, 09:04:57 PM »
@JamesR,

I'm sure this is an obvious extension to this line of thought...but we want more!

more, more, more....

And whether its AROS or Genesi, and in-depth background of recent events would be most interesting.

I am reminded, with the Hyperion 'delaying' CSPPC version of OS4, that everytime something comes up, for example, the Boot code stuff for AmigaONE, Hyperion announces to the community that they have to delay because an opportunity for contract work...ie. real $$$ came up, and they have to, after all, make money to finance this effort.

That's all well and good, but is exactly why we like details about a companies operations.

It's a fascinating part of Genesi's resume that they don't stop work, that they appear (at least appear)..to have the financial backing problem solved....by some kind of operation that brings revenue in.

But what are the details?  I have never bothered to check, but these types of details are interesting to us, if there was a news story on Genesi.

Of course the BAF'ers are not going to think anything is balanced, but its really impossible to present a story on most companies as dark as the Amiga, Inc. one...but thats because few companies are in such dire straights.

This, though, is my hope, that its balanced in the sense that it comes as close to the truth, as the Amiga, Inc. story....that type of balance is rare, and well..erm welcome.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #150 on: September 24, 2003, 09:26:47 PM »
My turn to comment.  Instead of commenting on the content of the article itself, I feel that I need to point out the way in which it is presented.  It is in my opinion (and I learned this the hard way), if you are going to post something that will garnish this much attention--put the article in the "sections" (where the interviews are).  

The reason is simple: We do have modem users visiting Amiga.org.  It is hardly fair to them that 140+ comments have to be loaded (with all the smilies, frownies, avatars, etc) so they can read the article as intended.  I'm not saying this is or is not news, but rather if you are going to post it as news: put an intro in the news body, and link it to the interview section.

I only point this out because I remember what it's like to load a news item with a modem (and AGA too).  I know you feel it is too late now, but it isn't.  Simply make a copy of the article in the "Interview" area, and provide a link to it.  Editing of the news item beyond the link is required to achieve this.

I know you mean well, and I only mean this as some advice and as a request.  Thanks guys.

(now, back to your regularly scheduled flamewar)
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #151 on: September 24, 2003, 09:37:40 PM »
Why keep blaming Bill Buck/Genesi for Amiga Incs poor management?

Did Buck tell Bill McEwen and the rest of those crooks its a good idea to rip off Amiga users? NO

Did Buck declare AmigaOS dead and go on about some dead end AmigaDE crap? NO

Did Buck force those crooks to rip off fellow employees and lie in court? NO

Wierd how you guys defend criminals who have done fvck all for the Amiga apart from ripping off Amiga users, then you guys insult a company what has done everything they claimed they would do in this niche market.

Yeah lets all cover up the truth and bash a company what actually does something.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #152 on: September 24, 2003, 09:42:45 PM »
Targhan,

The editorials section was apparently added by the staff this morning.

Wayne
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #153 on: September 24, 2003, 10:35:28 PM »
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I am reminded, with the Hyperion 'delaying' CSPPC version of OS4, that everytime something comes up, for example, the Boot code stuff for AmigaONE, Hyperion announces to the community that they have to delay because an opportunity for contract work...ie. real $$$ came up, and they have to, after all, make money to finance this effort.


And thats the reason hyperion are not bankrupt as well. :-)
I once had an amigaone xe but sold it .

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #154 on: September 24, 2003, 11:19:18 PM »
Be cool if Hyperion & Eyetech aquired Amiga Inc!
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #155 on: September 24, 2003, 11:23:06 PM »
:-)

Moderator's Note: Picture removed - this is a "family" web site.  Yes, we do have some kids that view this site from time to time.  They don't need to see stuff like that on here.

could we all agree on this?
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #156 on: September 24, 2003, 11:37:07 PM »
-Edited by redrumloa. Reason: Boss told me to do it :-o
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #157 on: September 24, 2003, 11:45:26 PM »
redrumloa :hammer:
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #158 on: September 25, 2003, 02:16:39 AM »
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You're being very selective with your truth, aren't you? Why do you not also mention that the "missing" pages were not included in the deposition to the courts and that even Amiga Inc's counsel obviously didn't think the information contain therein was relevant to their case?


Simply because the website did not make a note of this.The only thing they said was "here is the deposition"
It really does not matter to me, the deposition was incomplete, pages missing many pages unsigned and finally any and/or all of those posted pages could have been altered in any way and we would be none the wiser.
Furthermore, I would find it very odd if Amiga Inc had decided not to include those pages they would have numbered the deposition like they did.

It seems to me when you present something, you only number the presentation in sequence.

It did state in that deposition that they refused to answer some things as it was sensitive information in some way, and that by allowing that information to go public would unduly harm Amiga Inc.

If this is even slightly true, it goes directly back to the vedetta I talked about.

In any case, none of us have the facts of the matter, the article writer does not have all the facts, and hence the article should have reflected this clearly.

For example, the word "may" should have been used, and used often.

on another posting, AMiga Inc may be crooks, they may have scammed everyone  with thier coupon scheme, however there are two sides to every story, the court cases are not finalized, and OS4 is not yet released for them to make good on thier promises.
Until these things happen I believe judgement should be reserved ( I believe the catchcry is innocent until proven guilty). Should we trust them? Definately not!

BTW BBRV has admited they are running at a loss in the appeal for support of some weeks ago, and likely will be for some time.They also offered many things except hard currency for this support.
It is my view that Genesi is not in such a strong position as some would make it out to be.

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Re: I am so tired!
« Reply #159 on: September 25, 2003, 02:17:52 AM »
I have been an Amiga user since 1989.  One thing I am so sick of, is watching the different parent companies we have had over the years, take the profits from Amiga and invest it in x86 machines.  We always play second fiddle to everything.  And the same goes for Amiga, Inc.  Announcing that the AmigaOS was dead and wasting there original financial backing on AmigaDE, to be run on another platform of course.  If they would have invested in a new Amiga from the beginning, we would have had it 1-2 years ago.  I personally think we are better off without them.  If it wasn't for Eyetech and Hyperion, where would we be (AmigaOS 3.9.8 on a 68060/AGA machine).  

    I pray, that they have the good sense to sell the trademarks now to eyetech or hyperion (I personally don't care what they do with AmigaDE) and just declare bankruptcy.  It is obvious that these two companies have a clear goal in mind for us, and quite frankly, I like where they are taking us.  

    It just sucks, to be so close, and then setbacks as always.  My roommate's first AmigaOne will be here at the end of the week and we are excited.  I will be getting mine shortly afterwards.  I don't regret this purchase cause I believe in Eyetech (Alan Redhouse) and Hyperion.  I believe they will deliver (An Alan already has!).  I just hope we do not lose the trademarks to our computer.  So wise up Ainc and sell it to another company and it call it a day.


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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #160 on: September 25, 2003, 02:39:03 AM »
@all

I think it important to realize that Amiga as a community has -- and I hope will to continue -- to survive regardless of the company currently producing Amiga hardware or software.

As a community, we have outlived Commodore and Escom and continue in spite of Gateway's neglect, perhaps the most harmful of the three.

There is much more to be gained from cooperation between A Inc. and Genesi than from conflict.  Hopefully, one or both companies will survive.  Regardless, the Amiga community will survive.

Their pious statements to the contrary, I am not convinced that either company has defined a market or given evidence of a concrete business plan.  Who will buy new Amiga products and why?

I suggest both companies disengage from war with each other and face the competition, MSoft, Apple and others.

Thank you.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #161 on: September 25, 2003, 03:32:27 AM »
I never thought an article that is virtually 100% facts and no oppinion could cause such contraversy!
It has really brought out the trolls and the cry-babies. So many people are so damn in love with this one company that anybody attacking it with well known facts is called names etc..
FFS people... grow up!  :-o
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #162 on: September 25, 2003, 03:39:13 AM »
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Here's what I don't understand. Amiga Inc has apparently been without offices, without money to pay employees and in severe debt for months and months, yet they still somehow exist.
Companies are just made of legal documents. They are quite capable of existing without buildings, money, or employees.
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Most companies would have been long gone, yet somehow Amiga Inc lingers. Something doesn't add up here.
This is just one that wont die!
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Personally, I think this article is mostly ####.
####? It's well known facts! Court documents etc. Which part is ####? Point out in detail why it is not true, and back it up with some facts of your own.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #163 on: September 25, 2003, 04:33:33 AM »
Wow, Just looked over at ANN. They have a bad infestation of Trolls.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #164 on: September 25, 2003, 04:44:33 AM »
@all (about missing pages)

what do you think? seriousely? that the missing pages say 'all the pages you DID see where a lie?" no, they didnt say that... get a grip... Amiga.inc is insolvent and all the *unseen* pages on earth wont cover that up... at least they wont cover it up to those who have eyes and can see.

I genuinely feel sorry for you people who still support this... why?... because your sentimental and thats EXACTLY what Amiga.inc wanted (at least in my opinon) they wanted sentimental people to follow them. They're  in my opinon unethical people looking to make a buck