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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #179 from previous page: September 26, 2003, 05:31:21 AM »
First off, my apologies. I didn't mean to rant. I just got a new job after 3 months of dealing with them and trying to find a job. I discovered today that Ev1 had contested my unemployment, so I am forced to appeal, 'cos my local 'government' decided to go in favor of big business and now want me to pay back 2 grand in unemployment, 'cos Ev1 said I didn't deserve it.

I am most humbled and sorry for the rant. I was already venting and when I saw Ev1, I blew. Think of it more as me fearing my beloved Amiga site was being saturated by this worm of a company.

Secondly, Ev1 maintains the largest kiddie porn hosting on the web. They don't care where the money comes from, as long as it comes. It's funny, but the majority of complaints about pornographic sites to Ev1 are hosted by Rackshack.

I'm sorry Kees, Wayne, and Silver Dragon. I was being an ass.  :-?
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #180 on: September 26, 2003, 07:13:10 AM »
@the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty.

The AMIGA name and the Amiga Logo are fine under "AMIGA Development LLC".

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Obviously, being 2.2 million dollars in debt does not bode well for the future of Amiga Inc. That said,

Part of the debt is owed to the founders of Amiga Inc…

I assumed that the founders classified their contribution as a loan not as capital/shares.
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #181 on: September 26, 2003, 07:25:42 AM »
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The name ? Pretty dead (just look at the lastest slashdot-article).

At least they still recognise it....
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #182 on: September 26, 2003, 07:40:01 AM »
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1) It doesn't mention that Genesi went after the Amiga trademark to cause Amiga problems.

Note that, obtainning AmigaDE on the Pegy HW may enable the relevant party to use the Amiga name.  One could obtain Tao's VP related technology directly from Tao...
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #183 on: September 26, 2003, 07:56:21 AM »
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Part of the debt is owed to the founders of Amiga Inc…

I assumed that the founders classified their contribution as a loan not as capital/shares.

Bill, Fleecy and Randy didnt invest money in the company, they found a VC to do that, the 1.8 million that Bill says is owed to the big 3 is back salaries, they like the rest have missed paychecks for 15 months.  
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #184 on: September 26, 2003, 08:19:30 AM »
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #185 on: September 26, 2003, 10:03:10 AM »
@Tigger

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Bill, Fleecy and Randy didnt invest money in the company, they found a VC to do that, the 1.8 million that Bill says is owed to the big 3 is back salaries, they like the rest have missed paychecks for 15 months.

Half a million a year each, for a company that's unlikely to have a turnover of even half of one of those salaries in a whole year?

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #186 on: September 26, 2003, 02:14:04 PM »
@ Methuselas,
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I'm sorry Kees, Wayne, and Silver Dragon. I was being an ....

It's understandable that you're upset.  It sounds like you've been through a lot of crap, and you're still dealing with some of it.  That's enough to push almost anyone over the edge.  I can't speak for everyone, but apology accepted from me.
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #187 on: September 26, 2003, 02:50:13 PM »
Question 1:
Why would anyone want to port a Handheld operating system to a desktop machine.
(AmigaDE is for handhelds not desktops and is a long long way away from being desktop usable, if ever.)

Question 2:
How can someone port AmigaDE to Pegasos PPC when there is no PPC version of AmigaDE and not likely to be one either.

Question 3:
How can anyone or a court  force a port of AmigaDE to Pegasos without TAO's approval, with TAO being a long time Amiga partner I don't think that's gonna happen.
 :-?  :-?  :-?
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #188 on: September 26, 2003, 03:46:30 PM »
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I can't speak for everyone, but apology accepted from me


Yeah me too .. welcome back  :-)
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #189 on: September 26, 2003, 04:08:41 PM »
@otpost

Courts don't care about:
The work a task would need.
The sense that work makes.
3rd-party stuff needed for that work.

They do care about:
What is written in signed contracts (and offcourse the law) on the matter.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #190 on: September 26, 2003, 04:21:26 PM »
Oh boy.  God, I hope they pull themselves out of debt very soon.  I'm still looking forward to OS4 no matter what.
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #191 on: September 26, 2003, 10:41:05 PM »
Note to self: never preorder an 'Amiga' product EVER again.
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #192 on: September 26, 2003, 11:43:20 PM »
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Note to self: never preorder an 'Amiga' product EVER again.


No, just do what I do, whistle a happy song all the way to the mail box, because it could be there today and then curse all the way back to the house when its not there for the 475th day in a row    :-P
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #193 on: September 27, 2003, 07:15:08 AM »
Poster: DanDude Date: 2003/9/26 11:21:26

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Oh boy. God, I hope they pull themselves out of debt very soon. I'm still looking forward to OS4 no matter what.


Once Amiga Inc has new owners, I think you may see a reasonable busines plan come forth.  This dotcom crap has got to go...

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #194 on: October 07, 2003, 06:47:18 AM »
The contract is between Amiga, Inc. and Thendic Electronic Components. The agreement was not to port Amiga DE OS to the Pegasos, but a specific list of products that Thendic had at that time, with a clause in the appendix of the agreement to add more later.

OEM SOFTWARE LlCENCE.AGREEIMENT
The License Agreement (the "Agreement") is made and entered into as of the
10th day of November, 2000 (the "Effective Date) by and between:
Thendic Electronic Components. GmbH, a company incorporated under the
laws of Germany ("Thendic") with offices at Dymffsuasse, 1, D43741
Aschaffenburg, Germany: and a
Amiga Incorporated. a Washing too corporation ("Amiga"). with principal ,
offices at 34935 SE Douglas Street. Suite 210, Snoqualmic, Washington. '
98065
with reference to the following:


WHEREAS, Amiga develop state of the art operating system technology that
&la a high level of functionality and facilities supplications on a wide range of
computing devices.
WHEREAS, Amiga has developed a DE Operating System to which it owns all
substantial rights:
WHEREAS, Thendic develops and markets wireless portable devices. including
its flagship offering, the CASHBOY brand range of products. Thendic's products
offer a highly customizable and configurable means of portable arKl handheld
devices;
WHEREAS,, Thendic is in the process of developing a Windows CE based
handheld. multimedia gaming device;
WHEREAS, Thendic wishes to obtain from Amiga. and Amiga wishes to grant to
Thendic, a license to integrate& Amiga's DE Operating System into Thendic's CE
based handheld, multirncdia gaming device, as well as other products in Thendic's
product line, including futurc products;
WHeREAS. this Agreement sets forth the terms and conditions with respect to
such a license.

Also see APPENDIX A of the licencing agreement (addition of products) and APPENDIX C (use of marks)

The main bit of contention in both the Thendic lawsuit and Amiga, Inc.'s countersuit looks to be the interpretation of Appendix A part 2.
"2. Right to Expand List. Thendic has the right with the consent of Amiga at any
time to add new products to this list and to thereby implicate Amiga's obligations
under this Agreement to integrate the Licenced Software into such additional
Thendic Products. Amiga will not unreasonably withhold consent to expand the
list of Thendic Products."

The legal question being did Amiga, Inc. unreasonably withhold consent from Thendic to expand the list of covered products?