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Offline meerschaum

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #164 from previous page: September 25, 2003, 04:44:33 AM »
@all (about missing pages)

what do you think? seriousely? that the missing pages say 'all the pages you DID see where a lie?" no, they didnt say that... get a grip... Amiga.inc is insolvent and all the *unseen* pages on earth wont cover that up... at least they wont cover it up to those who have eyes and can see.

I genuinely feel sorry for you people who still support this... why?... because your sentimental and thats EXACTLY what Amiga.inc wanted (at least in my opinon) they wanted sentimental people to follow them. They're  in my opinon unethical people looking to make a buck
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #165 on: September 25, 2003, 04:56:43 AM »
@meerschaum,

I agree with you, its all public documents, if there was something we needed to see in the 'missing' pages, then the pro-amiga guys would have posted them already.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #166 on: September 25, 2003, 05:14:28 AM »
I think this shows what happens when you reach too far. If Bill and company had just tried to re-start the production lines for the 4000 and 1200 they would have money  in the bank now instead of 2.2 million in the hole. They tired to make a giant leap when they should have taken small steps. Essentially, Bill and Co. made  Amiga Inc. into a research firm, not production company. They didn't want to produce a product, market it, ship it, and hope some one buys it. What they didn't realize is that all that would have been no problem. They wanted to create something totally new. Time ran against them. Now they have no produce, (yet), little hope, and may be no future. I hope I'm wrong.  :-(
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #167 on: September 25, 2003, 06:34:55 AM »
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Simply because the website did not make a note of this.The only thing they said was "here is the deposition"
It really does not matter to me, the deposition was incomplete, pages missing many pages unsigned and finally any and/or all of those posted pages could have been altered in any way and we would be none the wiser.
Furthermore, I would find it very odd if Amiga Inc had decided not to include those pages they would have numbered the deposition like they did.

First of all there are lots more documents then just the recent filing in the Genesi case that includes large portions of Bill McEwens deposition.  Are all the pages of the depostion made available, no only the pages concerning the lawsuit were .   However the implication that the pages were altered is laughable for 3 reasons.
1) If you believe that those who got the documents from the courthouse modified them it is easy to get your own copies, feel free to do so.   2) If the lawyers for Thendic filed a falsified deposition with the courthouse, he'd be disbarred and he also would likely be criminally charged, in addition Amiga Inc could seek civil damages, so that didnt happen either  and 3) Amiga Inc would have been posting about the issues with the deposition if there were any in fact there lawyer would have been legally obligated to do so.      

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It seems to me when you present something, you only number the presentation in sequence.

It did state in that deposition that they refused to answer some things as it was sensitive information in some way, and that by allowing that information to go public would unduly harm Amiga Inc.

First of all look at what we know is on the skipped pages, who Amiga Inc is trying to get money from, who they are trying to work deals with, for what, etc (we can get that from the front and ends of the pages we have).    None of that is really pertinent to the case between Thendic and Amiga and so isnt included.   If its pertinent to the case, I am sure Amiga Inc (if they file anything, and if they show up next Friday) will be presenting those pages as part of there information to the Judge.

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on another posting, AMiga Inc may be crooks, they may have scammed everyone with thier coupon scheme, however there are two sides to every story, the court cases are not finalized, and OS4 is not yet released for them to make good on thier promises.
Until these things happen I believe judgement should be reserved ( I believe the catchcry is innocent until proven guilty). Should we trust them? Definately not!

The Thendic court case isnt decided, though we are going to hear something next week, but Bolten, Matt, Airborne, the Landlord, all those cases have all been decided and all not in favor of Amiga Inc.    There isnt two sides on those cases, they went to court, Amiga didnt show up, they won their cases, Amiga still hasnt paid them.   Plus frankly with Amiga Inc racking up debt of over 100K in virtual salaries a month, plus thousands on interest on actual judgements,  theres not alot more to say.   50 days ago, Bill McEwen said that new funding was days away, (much like he has said in letters to lawyers and judges for over a year now)  guess what, it hasnt happened, and I'm guessing its not terribly likely to happen at all.
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #168 on: September 25, 2003, 10:18:28 AM »
I never said that the pages submitted to the courts were falsified. I ####ume that that is all in order.I am refering strictly to the pages submitted on the website. These pages could have been obtained from anywhere.They could be complete fabrication for all I know as the only way we can verify them is to obtain such records ourselves, and as such are suspect.
If said pages were supplied on the internet from various people, with various loyalties then I would be able to take it on faith they are accurate.

If the missing pages are not required, why were they included in the deposition in the first place? I am fully aware the american legal system is screwy at best, but I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation of this.
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Plus frankly with Amiga Inc racking up debt of over 100K in virtual salaries a month


You have access to thier payrolls do you?

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #169 on: September 25, 2003, 11:18:40 AM »
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You have access to thier payrolls do you?


Yes, pretty much. Bill Mc stated under oath an approximate of how much the offers of the company make.

Unless of course we are to assume he was lying under oath. But I seriously doubt he would be so dumb as to lie under oath.
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #170 on: September 25, 2003, 11:28:04 AM »
Argo: Well.. those Anon.trolls on Ann.lu are most likely those who
don't have guts to regeister for making replies here. In the end, it's
sad that Ann.lu people (and site) has to suffer...
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #171 on: September 25, 2003, 03:34:33 PM »
Poster: IonDeluxe Date: 2003/9/25 5:18:28

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If said pages were supplied on the internet from various people, with various loyalties then I would be able to take it on faith they are accurate.


Go ask McBill for the transcripts then, he would have a copy of them for his records.  Amiga Inc would be willing to turn that over to you, right?  They trust their loyal customers, right?

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If the missing pages are not required, why were they included in the deposition in the first place? I am fully aware the american legal system is screwy at best, but I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation of this.


What are you smoking?  You think the courts want the entire depo put into records that does not have direct relationship with the submitted request against Amiga Inc? I don't know about Europe courts, but in the US, they want only submitted that is relative to any actions submitted.   Would you be happy as a court clerk if there was only a few lines on one page that was relative but the idiot lawyer submitted something like 400 or more pages for you to add into the files?  If the other side doesn't like what wasn't submitted, they have the right to submit the missing pages in their reply document.

Happy now?  :-D

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #172 on: September 25, 2003, 05:50:19 PM »
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If Bill and company had just tried to re-start the production lines for the 4000 and 1200 they would have money in the bank now instead of 2.2 million in the hole.

Who would want to buy seriousely outdated hardware? Only a few Amiga enthusiasts would... And also, no one produces the custom chipset/cpu that is used in classic amigas anymore, so where can amiga get the chips? Its just not possible, its way to late to do anything with the classic line of amiga.

I believe though that the AmigaDE should have been dumped, they should rather have concentrated only on ppc hardware/amigaOS port..

but yeah, they did try to leap to far...
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #173 on: September 25, 2003, 07:36:35 PM »
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These pages could have been obtained from anywhere.They could be complete fabrication for all I know as the only way we can verify them is to obtain such records ourselves, and as such are suspect.
If said pages were supplied on the internet from various people, with various loyalties then I would be able to take it on faith they are accurate.

You can feel free to call, write or email and get clarification or even your very own copies.    You could even bet Rich a $1000 that they have been modified (he offered Ray $1000 if he could find a single modified page) and yet Ray has no money from Rich (and apparently no money from Amiga Inc for the last 15 months.

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If the missing pages are not required, why were they included in the deposition in the first place? I am fully aware the american legal system is screwy at best, but I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation of this.

The written deposition is a word by word transcript of everything said at that meeting.   Large portions can be the lawyers arguing over matters, getting clarification of questions, having someone read a document, etc.   Everything that happens is recorded, the Thendic lawyer only submitted the portions he needed for his case (which is what he is supposed to do).

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You have access to thier payrolls do you?

I know what 2 of the employees made officially, I know from Bill's comments what his, Fleecies and Randy's salaries are (and basically they exceed 100K a month when combined) and I know what its going to take to pay 11 other people per month.  
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #174 on: September 25, 2003, 08:48:38 PM »
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #175 on: September 25, 2003, 09:20:59 PM »
It's official.  People will invent anything to "abandon" Amiga.org and promote their agenda.

Sorry you're disgruntled, sorry you didn't like it, sorry that the world is coming to an end.   Have a nice day.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #176 on: September 25, 2003, 09:21:09 PM »
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I cannot and will not support a site hosted by a company ......

Your frustration and anger is focused in the wrong direction.  You should take it out on RackShack, not on Amiga.org.  As far as I know, this site has done nothing to you!  :-?
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #177 on: September 25, 2003, 10:43:16 PM »
Oh well ...

Bye
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #178 on: September 26, 2003, 04:22:48 AM »
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I wish C= never went bust ....


Me too :-( ...

Oh well, at least the C= girl in my avatar still has a magnificent bust :-D
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #179 on: September 26, 2003, 05:31:21 AM »
First off, my apologies. I didn't mean to rant. I just got a new job after 3 months of dealing with them and trying to find a job. I discovered today that Ev1 had contested my unemployment, so I am forced to appeal, 'cos my local 'government' decided to go in favor of big business and now want me to pay back 2 grand in unemployment, 'cos Ev1 said I didn't deserve it.

I am most humbled and sorry for the rant. I was already venting and when I saw Ev1, I blew. Think of it more as me fearing my beloved Amiga site was being saturated by this worm of a company.

Secondly, Ev1 maintains the largest kiddie porn hosting on the web. They don't care where the money comes from, as long as it comes. It's funny, but the majority of complaints about pornographic sites to Ev1 are hosted by Rackshack.

I'm sorry Kees, Wayne, and Silver Dragon. I was being an ass.  :-?
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