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Amiga.org and Bias
« on: August 21, 2003, 07:25:22 PM »
Various people have claimed that Amiga.org is biased towards one  technology or the other - this is not true. When Pegasos and MorphOS first came on the Amiga scene, Amiga.org didn't publish information about either - now the parent companies of both advertise through Amiga.org and news about both products is posted at Amiga.org regularly.  One of our staff (Wayne Hunt) now works for Genesi, another uses Pegasos, and some of us are waiting for Amiga OS 4. That said, when we  see a user insulting others in our forums, trolling, or outright  flaming, we revoke that user's privileges.

So, going forward, if a user violates our terms of service and posting guidelines, that user's account may be suspended, restricted, or revoked  at the discretion of Amiga.org staff members regardless of their views on various technologies or the company that they work for. This is not evidence of bias on the part of Amiga.org staff; rather, it is evidence  of our desire for AO not to devolve into a flamefest where chaos reigns.

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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2003, 07:01:33 PM »
It would be nice to see a little more respect towards the other party, no matter what this persons beliefs are.

Most arguments has atleast two sides, and respect never hurt anyone.

I for one welcome this statement, and hope that more understanding and civil tones in the arguments will take place here after.
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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2003, 07:09:27 PM »
Well, we could just talk about something neutral for awhile, like AROS. =)   Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2003, 07:11:23 PM »
The question should be "is there censorship on here?"

That needs to be addressed.

Of course people are going to be biased on here but how the moderators act will show the people the score.
 

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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2003, 07:13:11 PM »
I am glad this has been brought up it has ben getting mad here lately. :-)
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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2003, 07:19:58 PM »
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The question should be "is there censorship on here?"


as long as a user doesn't violates our posting guidelines, there is no censorship.
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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2003, 07:20:37 PM »
@Paul_Gadd

There is a difference between "moderation" and "censorship".

The first is welcome, and necessary if this forum is to remain civil.

The latter is not welcome, because it's aimed at people's views, not their behaviour.

IMHO, posts on amiga.org get moderated, in contract to other sites where censorship reigns supreme.
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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2003, 07:23:21 PM »
mad? well i am mad..

all of this just annoy me to death, i stayed on amiga and didnt move to pc/mac etc like all other did years ago, and now they come back and buy a pegasos or what ever and think they can troll us, so naturally we troll back.

we make our own decisions but i would love to see LESS NON amiga related stuff here, easy as that.

why? , because its AMIGA.org and not COMPUTER.org or whatever.

imagine if amiga did this on all pc sites and forums ? , advertisement , articles , bla bla bla.  sure pegasos and linux is somewhat amiga related i agree on that , but you all know what i mean.

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pps:i am very calm now compared to a few hours ago , but i still think some changes must be done.
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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2003, 07:29:27 PM »
@lempkee

All nice, BUT (there is allways a "but" isn't there  ;-)  ), they people in charge of this site
(and spending their time to make it possible) have decided that it is aimed at "Amiga"
in the broader sense (which includes MOS,AROS and UAE) instead of just "Amiga"
in AmigaInc like it is clearly done on that other site.

Thats how it is, and thats o.k. cos this is Amiga.ORG and NOT Amiga.COM.

Live with it, or leave it, thats your choice  :-o
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2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
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7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2003, 07:29:50 PM »
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i stayed on amiga and didnt move to pc/mac etc like all other did years ago


And we are all happy that you are still with us ...  :-)
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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2003, 07:36:17 PM »
@Kees

At last - a levelheaded reply :-)   A couple of questions though:

Out of interest, what is Wayne's official position now?  If he does still have moderator capabilities, can his rank say that to avoid confusion?

Does anyone know how hard it would be to mod XOOPS to news comments can be locked.  Or you could even just add a forum entry for discussion at the same time as more "sensitive" news appearing.

@lempkee

Like it or not, MOS and the Peg is very much part of the wider Amigoid community now.  Don't blame them - remember that when MOS was started there was no hope of OS4; if things had been different then they could have been the only viable Amigoid OS and the saviour of the platform, although it didn't turn out that way.  Blame it on the decade of mis-management.  One thing I like about MOS is that people who want different solutions can share their ideas, even if it gets out of hand occasionaly.  I go to AW.net for more peaceful Amiga-centric news just like others might go to MorphZone, but A.org is still the best site for everyone.

@Everyone

With the A1, Peg and MOS out and with AOS4 and MOS1.4 on the horizon, I'd imagine that our little platform might get a bit more interest, and this would be an obvious site for newbies.  Flamewars affect all the OSes.

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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2003, 07:48:42 PM »
@Paul
Are you by chance Libertarian?
 

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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2003, 07:52:03 PM »
alx wrote:
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With the A1, Peg and MOS out and with AOS4 and MOS1.4 on the horizon, I'd imagine that our little platform might get a bit more interest, and this would be an obvious site for newbies. Flamewars affect all the OSes.


Exactly! You took the words right out of my mouth. :-)
 

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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2003, 08:05:28 PM »
this is PURELY my opinon but I think  the people crying 'bias' wont be happy until this site is not only devoid of anything but Amiga.inc news/postings/etc... but actively goes against anything other then Amiga.inc solutions.. i.e 'UAE is killing amiga!!! petition governor to ban UAE!!" etc etc etc... this sites NEVER been biased...its users who make it appear biased because there are a growing number of users forgetting about old amigas/amiga.inc/etc and going to Pegasos/MOS/UAE/Amithlon/etc and the people screaming 'bias' dont like that.

the reason I mention Amiga.inc is that they make 'AmigaDE" ... if you take the name and the logo off of AmigaDE it has nothing to do with our classic Amiga's we grew to love...its a piece of pda software and there are alot of people who find its inclusion perfectly fine...therefore they follow the 'name' and not the technology...
 

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Re: Amiga.org and Bias
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2003, 08:23:12 PM »
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There is a difference between "moderation" and "censorship".

The first is welcome, and necessary if this forum is to remain civil.

The latter is not welcome, because it's aimed at people's views, not their behaviour.

IMHO, posts on amiga.org get moderated, in contract to other sites where censorship reigns supreme.


Bill,

You are incorrect; a person's views go hand in hand with their behavior.  If you are moderating someone's behavior, you are censoring their views.  Just because you don't agree with their views on acceptable behavior, does not mean that you are not censoring their views.

According to webster's dictionary, censor is defined as the following.


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Main Entry: 2censor
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): cen·sored; cen·sor·ing  /'sen(t)-s&-ri[ng], 'sen(t)s-ri[ng]/
Date: 1882
: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable


And a moderator is defined as the following.

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Main Entry: mod·er·a·tor
Pronunciation: 'mä-d&-"rA-t&r
Function: noun
Date: circa 1560
1 : one who arbitrates : MEDIATOR
2 : one who presides over an assembly, meeting, or discussion: as a : the presiding officer of a Presbyterian governing body b : the nonpartisan presiding officer of a town meeting c : the chairman of a discussion group
3 : a substance (as graphite) used for slowing down neutrons in a nuclear reactor



So the difference is a moderator essentially organizes the meeting or discussion board we have here, which Amiga.orgs moderators do well.  A censor, however, removes objectionable content, which the moderators here also do.  Let's not kid ourselves people, any site that removes objectionable content censors its users, period.  That being said, it is not necessarily a bad thing.  If you compare Amiga.org to Moo Bunny, the topics on Amiga.org have never degraded to the level many topics on Moo Bunny degrade to.  (Don't misunderstand me, I love the bunny, but its lack of censorship does have its downside).

Aside from restricting certain words, censorship is based purely on one's opinion.  I have seen many times when one person considers another person's response to be a flame, but when I read it, I do not see fire anywhere.  Bill, you obviously agree with the Amiga.org moderator's opinions more than other sites.  Does that make them any more right than the other site's opinion?  No it does not.  Just as Amiga.orgs opinion is not any less right that other websites opinion.

The other side of this is that the moderators need to accept the fact that they ARE CENSORS and because of this it is really is to APPEAR BIASED.  The question they really have to ask themselves is, are they?  If they would let any one person get away with something that they have moderated when someone else did it, even if that person they let slide is another moderator, then yes they are BIASED.  If you do not want appear biased you have to treat EVERYONE equally, which, if you look at human history, is impossible to do.  The moderators here might just have to deal with the fact that there are people out there that disagree with them and consider them biased because of it.  If you can not deal with that FACT, you should not be a moderator.