Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga

[bhoggett]

@KennyR

And? With all the users, community, developers and stuff it did attract and would have attracted, how would it have been bad? Sure, I wouldn't have wanted to use a PC, but who the hell am I to dictate what other users want? I did actually critisice Amithlon strongly in the past, but I regret it now. I really thought that it was a danger to getting the Amiga back on its feet. But it turned out that my efforts were being counter-productive and only making me a troll. Amithlon was never a danger; it was only a niche, just like MOS, just like OS4, just like AROS. A choice among many. Much of the software written on Amithlon could have been used on OS4 and MOS. Some of it still is.

Having criticised you heavily for your stance in the past, I now bow deeply in respect.

I wish more people would wake up to the reality of the Amiga situation.

[lempkee]

dammy: yes/no ...

the whole thing is , sure DE should be on every plattform around, thats what it was intended for (tao).

but as we know that never happened , but as soon
as they have DE (IF) on pegasos , genesi will yet again USE the amiga name and that aint always good, for many reasons.

[lempkee]

bbhogget: so basically you mean MOS,AROS,AMITHLON etc are all 100% WORTHY as a AOS successor? , or just living on the brand? or just making it look worser/better ? .

[KennyR]

Sorry lempkee, it must have been one of those cases where the eye catches a word and it goes into the mind. I've corrected my mistake, apologies to both of you. It's quite funny that the words before it were "you must be mistaking me with someone else..." ;-)

[Paul_Gadd]

As people have brought up Amithlon, Amithlon and WinUAE are without a doubt the best products ever to grace the Amiga scene in years and deserve respect instead of ppl bitching and moaning about products what clearly got loads and loads of people back to the platform.

So what if someone wants to emulator an Amiga, at the end of the day the revenue rocketed with those types of products but as usual good things for the Amiga get killed thanks to cowboy companies.

[WalkernyRanger]

@KennyR

If the community has changed then why do they still frequent a site for AMIGA users?  As an Amiga user I often get annoyed with all MOS talk on this site.  Not that it can't be mentioned, but it has become overwhelming.  It is great that some people here have a new computer or even new jobs.  But why do we have to keep hearing about them?  This is (or was) an Amiga site, is it too much to expect it to be Amiga oriented?  It doesn't have to blindly follow Amiga inc, but it surely should have very little to do with MOS or any other OS for that matter.

So until the powers that be here change the name and focus of this site, maybe people who no longer are interested in the Amiga should "bugger off"!

[bhoggett]

@lempkee

Stop putting words into my mouth.

What I mean is that the "Amiga community" has already split into various groups according to their own preference. The community, and the market, can only survive if we are all able to embrace those who have made a different choice and work together to move things forward.

Those people who say "my way or no way" - no matter which  camp they support - have their heads stuck up their backsides.

As for 100% worthy successor? Do you think I care? To me, "Amiga" is just a label, a five letter word starting with A. Nothing more.  The people that made the "Amiga" something like a cult ten years ago are long gone. The current crop have nothing in common with them.

People need to stop looking back and start looking forward, preferably after they have removed the blinkers they've been wearing for years.

[KennyR]

Walkernyranger wrote:

If the community has changed then why do they still frequent a site for AMIGA users? As an Amiga user I often get annoyed with all MOS talk on this site. Not that it can't be mentioned, but it has become overwhelming.

I can understand your irritation, having felt it myself. But what you're seeing now is a flowering of MOS when OS4 is still a bud. Next year it could all be different, with OS4 projects hogging the news. Last year it was Amithlon. It's just the way things go. We all try to keep to people who share our interests, but sometimes we go too far and the only interest left is criticizing all perceived threats to one's own solution, and getting extremely defensive and bitter against any attacks, no matter how mild. My advice is to do what I did - just let it go. Let people do what they want. If their interests are not your interests, well fine, move on to another article. There's no need to take it personally, since everyone has a bad day when that happens.

It is great that some people here have a new computer or even new jobs. But why do we have to keep hearing about them? This is (or was) an Amiga site, is it too much to expect it to be Amiga oriented?

The problem is that "Amiga" is no longer a solid term. We have people putting the label on PPC motherboards, users calling emulators Amigas, and users calling Pegasos Amigas. Only one is official, of course; but since when did officiality tell people what to call things and what not? We live in a free society. And there are those who won't accept anything but the original Commodore Amiga machines. Isn't diversity a good thing?

Wayne quite clearly stated that AO would support all of these alteratives, and would allow each to be hosted. And I believe he was right in doing so.

So until the powers that be here change the name and focus of this site, maybe people who no longer are interested in the Amiga should "bugger off"!

There isn't a person who comes to this site who isn't interested in the Amiga, but their reasons are not always the same. It's a free site, why would you want to limit everyone to seeing things your way? There are still lots of articles for Amiga/AOS4 users. Not much news; this is a pity, but we they can't make it up, if its not there then it's not there. I don't believe there is any focus. Others may feel differently.

[lempkee]

bhogget: hmm i never inteded to put them into yer mouth , it was a question, though it wasnt the best i guess..

anyway i will add that "yes i agree with your opinion at some terms , but for me Amiga is Amigaos and i live more or less in retro land,though i do look very forward to os4 for amigaone)


kennyr: yes now i feel with you , the term amiga is too easy to call on everything theese days (mos,aros,amithlon,uae etc).
And atm genesi is going for the name and the logos etc... , so it wont calm down for a long time yet... i guess..

cheers

[meerschaum]

this is 'Amiga.org' not 'AmigaName.org" .... Amiga covers the whole genre of 'Amiga' ... MOS/UAE/Amithlon/etc 'Amiga Compatible OS's" sure they have their dedicated sites but this place is kind of the 'mixing ground' for it all... if you think this site should censor out news/etc of everything else then maybe you need to question yourself... this site has been and probably always will be... the 'middle ground' of the community.... you want to close your eyes/ears and live in fantasyland? go to a pro-Amiga.inc only site... and stop bugging other people about how we're all wrong for not likeing their solutions or choosing another one.  this is 2003 a classic Amiga isnt cutting it, alot of people emulate and some even look for other solutions the ones that exist i.e MorphOS/Pegasos

[Hooligan_DCS]

Poster: WalkernyRanger Date: 2003/8/21 20:51:59

@KennyR

If the community has changed then why do they still frequent a site for AMIGA users? As an Amiga user I often get annoyed with all MOS talk on this site. Not that it can't be mentioned, but it has become overwhelming. It is great that some people here have a new computer or even new jobs. But why do we have to keep hearing about them? This is (or was) an Amiga site, is it too much to expect it to be Amiga oriented? It doesn't have to blindly follow Amiga inc, but it surely should have very little to do with MOS or any other OS for that matter.

I have quite a simple answer. Amiga.org is a news-site, and there no NEWS about Amiga, except for some bad ones which no-one would like to see anyway.

Look man, it's not Genesi's fault things are rolling, news are appearing daily, software is ported etc.
Ask Amiga Inc. to do something instead of bitching here for the lack of Amiga-related news.

[Dan]

Classic Amiga Rocks!!!!!!!!! :flame:
Everything else is crap.
:flame:
Now which color does my camp have?:roflmao:

[K]

Please view the following sites

www.microsoft.org
www.ibm.org
www.apple.org
www.hp.org
www.bmw.org
www.homedepot.org


Ya...thats right..they either don't work...or get routed to the actual company that owns the name.  

Its to bad that this website doesn't respond in the two ways noted above.  


The responsibily of this website should NOT BE to both sides of the amiga/Genisi.....but just to Amiga.  Like it or not....they still hold the name, and trying to use this website for other companies to try and gain ground....is morally wrong if anyone actually cared.  This I mean as far as advertising/not opinions.

k

[mdwh2]

[What happened to the Quote button? Hmm, anyway]

LordOfCommunity wrote:

"MorphOS is MorphOS, Genesi = Genesi, I can't recognize any Amiga in that apart from being API COMPATIBLE. Like WINE is API compatible to Windows. So if you really like the amiga then you should hand over your site to Kees. Not just add another webmaster."

Hmm, perhaps we should have a different website/forum for every single company, Amiga-related or not, and heaven forbid anyone who doesn't post to the right one

WalkernyRanger wrote:

"If the community has changed then why do they still frequent a site for AMIGA users?"

Perhaps for one, because they run Amiga software? Not to mention having an interest in Amiga affairs.

If more than one AmigaOS successor appears and remains in use (be it OS4 and MorphOS, or something else), and they diverge (ie, no future compatibility between them), then I'm sure that new forums will appear, and the userbases will become more diverged as the systems have less in common - but at the moment, there are things in common.

[mdwh2]

K wrote:

"Ya...thats right..they either don't work...or get routed to the actual company that owns the name. "

www.microsoft.org and www.homedepot.org don't exist. www.apple.org does, but doesn't go to a webpage.

As for the rest, well that's probably because the actual company that owns the name also owns the domain names in question, and not because some fan site has decided to dedicate their domain to some company because they felt they had a "responsibility" to them.

If you believe that Amiga Inc should have rights to the domain www.amiga.org, then this is a separate issue (and imo, they should have no such rights since this is a .org site, and there is no trademark infringement going on). What would your view be if this was eg, www.amiganews.org - or possibly a name that didn't say Amiga at all, but this was still a site that had historically still been dedicated to the Amiga?

[JoannaK]

K: Looks like some old troll has found a new name to himself.

Moderators.. Would it not be time to close this thread.. afterall
there is allmost 200 messages and quite plenty of them are waste of
net net bandwidth..

if there is a need to ths discussion then perhaos a new thread???