Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga

[Mikey_C]

Bobsonsirjonny

No you are right it isn't worth it.

I would have been fine, had it not been for the fact that first of all Ray Akey gets banned for something Trivial. Bill Buck posts here with impunity, despite his "morons" comment

Then I get all the personal attacks against me. I came here to partake in discussion. However, it has now turned into a personal attack against me.

You watch, second, I over step the line against someone, I'll get banned. Yet when I'm being victimised, it's open season.

Mikey C

[Merko]

I didn't misread, but I misquoted, bbrv wrote "agreed to" rather than
"decided to".

But yes: bbrv DID SAY that the counsel agreed to validate the license!

Whether this happened or not, I cannot say, but this is what bbrv
writes above. Read again!

[bhoggett]

@Merko

But yes: bbrv DID SAY that the counsel agreed to validate the license!

You are correct and so you have my apology.

I must declare my doubts about that last bit of bbrv's claim though. If the counsel had agreed to the licensing, then there would be no need for the case to go further, yet the records show that the case is still open and scheduled to be heard in court.

It sounds like a case of one side giving an inch and the other claiming a mile.

[redrumloa]

@Mikey_C

Don't play victim, you know why you are here. How long have you been banging the 'AO sucks" drum? get a new tune already. Stop acting like a troll and you would be most welcome here.

[KennyR]

Amiga.org? this site is the most biased 100% pro Genesi site ever to grace the Amiga scene, with sites like that it shows what sort of measures some wacky people will go to protect/praise a company to the death.

Laughable hypocracy.

Look, the Amiga community has changed, not AO. People want to use MorphOS, want to use emulators and amiga-like solutions. They've waited too long on the On Schedule and Rockin' crowd and they're sick of it. They don't want to pay enormous fees for hardware, they don't want to wait ages for an OS. They've moved on. But they still want to investigate other solutions. Get over it already.

So if your going to be staying on this site then do it but don`t make yourself sound even worse by going to a worse site unless of course you get a stiffy for Genesi, which you clearly do so this place will suit you and the rest of the zombies.

More silly hypocracy.

For those who can't change and get angry because they we won't bow down and worship their company of choice, just bugger off. We'll be better off without you all, honestly. This goes for all sides. When will such people get over the fact that others have their own choices to make, and when they choose a company that's actually producing hardware and software, aren't some kind of puppets just because they don't choose AInc?

[SlimJim]

@KennyR

When will such people get over the fact that others have their own choices to make, and when they choose a company that's actually producing hardware and software, aren't some kind of puppets just because they don't choose AInc?

 
When?
I suppose just as soon as some other "such
people" get over the fact that people aren't "some
kind of puppets" just because they do choose to
go with the AmigaInc line...?
 
(not referring to you personally).
.
SlimJim

[KennyR]

I understand this view, Slimjim, and so my rant was aimed at all trolls, including those that constantly rant at and belittle A1/OS4 supporters for the simple crime of making a choice. It cuts all ways. There is a world of a difference between a site not reporting some side's news because there is so little to report, and not reporting them because it is biased. I know which one of these two AO is, and I know what one AW is.

[meerschaum]

my below sarcastic opinonated rant is here to show the mind of a true red zealot...

no KennyR your wrong!, we're supposed to  ignore all we've seen and follow Amiga.inc down the gutter as far as the swill stream goes and if we dont like it and we decide to go the alternate route we're a bunch of 'blind zombies' and emulator people are 'killing amiga' and amithlon was 'against amiga values' ... the name 'Amiga' matters above all else aswell as a little checkerball... if we dont see that we're idiots! the name matters above all else! the name!...its not hipocritical to expect everyone to follow amiga.inc !!!! ... your bieng a troll! stop spreading FUD... go buy coupons!!!... blah blah blah... mass exodus from this site!!!.... its to 'moderate' for any TRUE amigans leanings! moderate = pro-genesi  ... genesi=baddies, fud spreaders, anti-amiga!
blah blah blah...

EDIT: On Schedule and Rockin!!!!  :-D  :-D  :-D

[lempkee]

kennyr:and you state that you are an amiga'n ?

thats hypocracy , if it was about cheap #### every one would have been on amithlon ages ago,
so stuff that solution.

everyone knew amithlon was a dead end from the start , with pegasos it aint that obvious but a hunch woul be genesi's first opening comments "WE DONT WANT THE AMIGA bla bla bla" or did you forget that bit? , you are really bullshitting yerself when posting such posts dood.

anyway to all who thinks AmigaDE would be good on pegasos bla bla , well ya missed one crucial bit in this and thats the most important one.

AMIGA INC made it , they are entitled to do what they want , no one can copy they're idea or sell it without the creators approval , sure they signed something for smartbox , we dont know what they signed did we?  , and for all i know DE on pegasos wouldnt grace the moneybin at AmigaInc anyway... no matter what.

turn back into history of genesi to see that.

[Dan]

:-)

[lempkee]

aolmurder: sorry ,i didnt see yer post until now.
ok i will try to strain myself,but it aint easy.

though i aint trying do be evil... nor too personal.

cheers

pps: slimjim , yes but heh parting has never done amiga good, also imho i would have been more calm if bbrv wouldnt spam us like he do , pointing out facts with his posts wouldnt hurt anyone, but as every post come i get more and more "IS THIS A LIE?" , same goes for ainc posts but heh they tend to come from time to time only...not everyday/week.

[lempkee]

dan:smask i wanna kiss you now  rofl

[KennyR]

kennyr:and you state that you are an amiga'n ?

Yes I do, but not your kind of Amigan, it seems.

thats hypocracy , if it was about cheap #### every one would have been on amithlon ages ago

And? With all the users, community, developers and stuff it did attract and would have attracted, how would it have been bad? Sure, I wouldn't have wanted to use a PC, but who the hell am I to dictate what other users want? I did actually critisice Amithlon strongly in the past, but I regret it now. I really thought that it was a danger to getting the Amiga back on its feet. But it turned out that my efforts were being counter-productive and only making me a troll. Amithlon was never a danger; it was only a niche, just like MOS, just like OS4, just like AROS. A choice among many. Much of the software written on Amithlon could have been used on OS4 and MOS. Some of it still is.

everyone knew amithlon was a dead end from the start , with pegasos it aint that obvious but a hunch woul be genesi's first opening comments "WE DONT WANT THE AMIGA bla bla bla" or did you forget that bit? , you are really bullshitting yerself when posting such posts dood.

Maybe they don't want the dirt that spattered on the Amiga name after chronic inaction, or the scum that's stuck to it while skimming through the gutters for all those years. But to be serious, Genesi are just a business. They do business. Taking personal offence at certain loudmouths in it/supporting it isn't really going to help. Anyway, I certainly don't support Genesi or bbrv in this recent statement. I only came into this thread to defend AO and its moderators against people blaming it and them for their own failings, and to vent some at the "you're not with us, you suck!!1111" crowd.

anyway to all who thinks AmigaDE would be good on pegasos bla bla , well ya missed one crucial bit in this and thats the most important one.

AMIGA INC made it , they are entitled to do what they want , no one can copy they're idea or sell it without the creators approval , sure they signed something for smartbox , we dont know what they signed did we? , and for all i know DE on pegasos wouldnt grace the moneybin at AmigaInc anyway... no matter what.

You seem to be mistaking me for someone else, lempkee. I've never made any statement about the DE on Pegasos or any of that silly nonsense brewing now, and I'm probably not going to.

[dammy]

Poster: lempkee Date: 2003/8/21 12:56:34

AMIGA INC made it , they are entitled to do what they want , no one can copy they're idea or sell it without the creators approval , sure they signed something for smartbox , we dont know what they signed did we? , and for all i know DE on pegasos wouldnt grace the moneybin at AmigaInc anyway... no matter what.

Amiga Inc may have added some content to DEad, but Tao owns the core.  The contract calls for certain Thendic/Genesi  devices, as well as future devices, to have Amiga Inc port DEad and being paid for their time in porting it plus royalities fees per unit.  

If Amiga Inc was a real company, they would be gladly holding their hands out for royalities from Genesi.  Since Amiga Inc is a farce, they can do without additional revenue streams, right?

Dammy

[lempkee]

kennyr: i aint amidelf .. i belived u knew that.

anyway its a shame that u have turned yourself into this , but anyway its typical.

a last note would be about the.... AMIGA name etc, well heh do u know what bbrv is on about then? , thats what they want atm.. the AMIGA name, the prods,everything.

so you are wrong again really (read the last bbrv post + executive)..

anyway...PLEASe dont mix me with amidelf.


cheers

[bhoggett]

@KennyR

And? With all the users, community, developers and stuff it did attract and would have attracted, how would it have been bad? Sure, I wouldn't have wanted to use a PC, but who the hell am I to dictate what other users want? I did actually critisice Amithlon strongly in the past, but I regret it now. I really thought that it was a danger to getting the Amiga back on its feet. But it turned out that my efforts were being counter-productive and only making me a troll. Amithlon was never a danger; it was only a niche, just like MOS, just like OS4, just like AROS. A choice among many. Much of the software written on Amithlon could have been used on OS4 and MOS. Some of it still is.

Having criticised you heavily for your stance in the past, I now bow deeply in respect.

I wish more people would wake up to the reality of the Amiga situation.