AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.

[bhoggett]

@amigaguy

If MorphOS or AmigaOS are ever really going to prosper then they need to go x86. I'm not saying they should leave PPC all together, but if you want to sell more then a few thousand copies of your OS then you need to look at targeting the 100s of millions of computers out there and there all x86.

Uh, oh. Look out for the brickbats. If my experience in saying this is anything to go by, you'll be flamed and branded an "x86 troll" in no time.

I can understand why Genesi wants PPC. They make hardware and probably couldn't compete if they were making just another x86 board. I understand that, but I just don't see how MorphOS will ever sell more than a few thousands copies.

I share this view, though most MOS supporters do not.

As for AmigaInc? I have no idea why they are going the PPC route.

They are not. However, Amiga Inc are no longer in control, either directionally or financially, so they have no choice but go along with what their partners decide.  As for why Hyperion and Eyetech would nail their colours to the PPC mast, that's much easier to see.

People might fork out $99 to buy AmigaOS or MorphOS, but no one other than a few old and a few thousand of the current Amiga die hards are going to buy a "Special" computer to run it on. No Chance!

Absolutely.  If the "Amiga" (and I'm using the term in the generic sense rather than the trademarked one) is ever to rise in people's consciousness again, it needs to go for as many users as possible. This means embracing all sorts of people and hardware platforms, and dropping the "niche" mentality. Niche systems are all very well, and might even be commercially viable in the short term, but it will be impossible to attract more than a dozen or so developers to such platforms, and without developers there is no software. No software means no users, etc.

It's time to put aside the differences and co-operate. Criticising people for doing things wrong or incompetence is one thing, but criticising them for making a different choice (or worse, for offering a different choice) is sheer bigotry of the kind that has been ruining this community for years.

[mikeymike]

@ xisp

While I don't disagree with some of your definitions, the "if you don't agree with me you are a troll" is asking for trouble.

You were getting it right when you were talking about undermining the alternative, but then you went off the rails.

How can you say that "x86 has no future" and then "you are a troll if you think AROS has no future"?  For starters, AROS runs on x86, but even if it didn't, your points of view are contaminating the point you are trying to make.

[bloodline]

It's time to put aside the differences and co-operate. Criticising people for doing things wrong or incompetence is one thing, but criticising them for making a different choice (or worse, for offering a different choice) is sheer bigotry of the kind that has been ruining this community for years.

I agree, we are a community... and we should work together (RE: OpenAmiga).

I think the bigotry in this cimmunity stemps for decensions being made without consulting the community... Thus some pole feel let down, others be justified... it's sad, that this should have happend, but I hope that in the end it will make the community stronger... but only if we work together and are careful not listen to those of small minds...

Think different... Think Amiga (the Spiritual sense, not the Trade Maked one  :-D ).

[LordOfCommunity]

"The amiga media has changed. You can feel it when you read the opinions of the "journalists" and "webmasters", You can read it when you direct your browser to an Genesi sponsored site. You can smell it in the air."

The used tactics are well known: He who controls the media, controls the mind.

All that once was is no more....The community has fallen apart and is covored by a blue shadow spreading fear and doubt, haunting every red minded person until they are brainwashed or bribed with a cheap Pegasos offer. The soldiers of the blue shadow are searching every newssite and forum for any thread to this evil uprising. But true red hearts are NOT easelly corrupted. They will hold on to their faith because they know that the red/white sun will shine and will cause the blue shadow to withdraw to the dark places it came from.

[pixie]

@Wayne:
His road as AmigaOS road, sorry to have missrepresented it

[bloodline]

How can you say that "x86 has no future" and then "you are a troll if you think AROS has no future"? For starters, AROS runs on x86, but even if it didn't, your points of view are contaminating the point you are trying to make.

That's not right Mikey!
He said that you are not a troll for those things. :-)

[pixie]

@lando

"A generic PPC board designed and manufactured by a bunch of guys in Asia (who have probably never even seen an Amiga in their lives let alone used one) that currently only runs Linux "

I don't give a toss to who produces an Amiga, the way it operates I do, and these way is Amiga exclusive way, made available by AmigaOS, and wich represents for me a better way of doing things and making them faster, but for me it was Amiga who introduce them, not MOS...

Like newton once said and paraphrasing for this situation, if MOS is where it is it's only because it has been on Giant shoulders...

[meerschaum]

I think it shows the degeneration of this community that this has over 100 replies... thats sad...

[bloodline]

I don't give a toss to who produces an Amiga, the way it operates I do, and these way is Amiga exclusive way, made available by AmigaOS, and wich represents for me a better way of doing things and making them faster, but for me it was Amiga who introduce them, not MOS...

And tell me how MorphOS and AROS operate differently from AmigaOS?

Please stay out of technical disscusions unitl you have fully versed yourself with all the facts.

[xisp]

@mikeymike
about:
 "if you don't agree with me you are a troll"
Sorry , I forgot the smiley
 :-P
about:
 "x86 has no future"
Sorry, didn't separate well the fact from the opinion.
Fact is that people can think that x86 is a viable
route. Its perfectly understandable and reasonable.

Opinion (of mine) is that x86 will have difficulties
with heat in the long run. But you can try to easily
debunk my argument, I am not an engineer.

[xisp]

All that once was is no more....The community has fallen apart and is covored by a blue shadow spreading fear and doubt, haunting every red minded person until they are brainwashed or bribed with a cheap Pegasos offer. The soldiers of the blue shadow are searching every newssite and forum for any thread to this evil uprising. But true red hearts are NOT easelly corrupted. They will hold on to their faith because they know that the red/white sun will shine and will cause the blue shadow to withdraw to the dark places it came from.

Are you nuts or are you a blue troll parodiyng  a red troll?

[pixie]

@KennyR

"Webb, however some might like to think, was not being objective. He was being biased, and perhaps even intentionally offensive to something he doesn't like. Admittedly, posting this as a news item was not exactly objective either: I can guess it was a matter of outrage that someone of responsibility could write something so clearly outrageous. And on that level I can understand it. To make these things known as they are is always a good thing."

I still fail to understand why don't you consider objective... you know, you can be objective and against MOS (I'm not saying it has to be), you (all) fail to explain why he isn't objective, and because 100 of you say it isn't it doesn't mean you're right either...

"It didn't really matter that is was aimed at MOS. But this is a newsletter; can you imagine the outrage if the Genesi website demanded that A1s weren't allowed at AmiWest because they were "Teron CX linux boxes"? Or amithlon or UAE or AROS were demanded to be banned from Amiwest because AInc saying that they are "emulators done by pirates" in Club Amiga? Of course it would cause a storm. And rightly so."

Amithlon is an Amiga related as Cloanto WINUAE or as any legal WINUAE or UAE, as far as the user legally have the rights to be using AMIGAOS, just for itself *UAE isn't... see you weren't being objective... ;b

[pixie]

bloodline:

Originality, they don't posess that...

where I said they behave differently from AmigaOS!? I do not even know why you make such a statement as... "Please stay out of technical disscusions unitl you have fully versed yourself with all the facts."

[pixie]

@bloodline:
I never said they coulnd't or weren't doing the same things... don't put in my mouth...

PS-by the way I'm trying to make the AROS iso bootable, I burn the copy I found in your page, but after a while he starts seeking for the floopy... can you help me on that!?

[bloodline]

PS-by the way I'm trying to make the AROS iso bootable, I burn the copy I found in your page, but after a while he starts seeking for the floopy... can you help me on that!?

Ahhhh, you'd hit a problem there. Our ide.device still has a few bugs (with some PC Chipsets)  :-(

Unfortunately, you will need a bootable Floppy disk to get it past at stage of the Boot process.

This is a known bug and is being worked on.

The CDROM you have made should work fine on another computer.
I recommend, that if you are able, you should try the disk on another computer. If at all possible.

A list of your Computer specifications would help us too.

[Billsey]

f we don't stop the bullshit and start getting along, there will be nothing left worth fighting over.

Amen, Wayne! Amen!

@Dave (Targhan):
We all misstep—and more than from time to time (speaking from experience ;-) ). Keep your chin up and your temperature down, you'll be back.