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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #89 on: August 12, 2003, 04:51:55 AM »
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Right now we need this little infighting, to get us tough enough to handle Microsoft. It's like inner-team rivalries, or how martial artist dojo's often times have 2 hot-shots that always are butting heads. Only through the interior conflict can either one emerge strong enough to beat Microsoft.


I disagree

If we ever have a chance to survive it will be in the form of a niche market.

Even this is unacheivable if we keep fighting between ourselves.

Cooperation and unity might give us half a chance to survive.

As for beating Microsoft....A very distant dream at this stage i'm afraid.

They just have too much money and the majority of the market. No real changes in sight for some time to come. :-(
 

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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #90 on: August 12, 2003, 05:03:04 AM »
@downix

1. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111607,00.asp  
According to this article in the second quarter of this year 33.2 million computers were sold, up 4.1%.  That amounts to well over 11 million a month.  I'm guessing a majority of those are x86.  

If x86 sales did slow down at all it was probably because almost everyone ownes one already.  Hence millions of possible x86OS4/ x86MorphOS sales.

2. $8 a chip at what speed?  In what quantity?  I'd like a link.  How much is the motherboard it goes on and why are Genesi charging so much then?

3. x86 Handheld  You can run your choice of Windows XP, 2000, ME,98, Linux or UNIX on it.

My whole point is that you can not buy a PPC computer for what you can buy an x86 machine for at near the same performance.  If you have a link to such a machine please post it.  My other point is that even if there were a PPC computer at the same Price/Performance it wouldn't matter as there are already MILLIONS and MILLIONS of x86 owners out there.  NONE of these people would have to spend a dime on hardware to run OS4/MorphOS.  

Just getting them to consider MorphOS/AOS is a challenge.  Telling them they have to buy a new computer (even if it is comparable in price/features of an x86 system) would be near impossible.

If you want to make money, money you can use to continue to advance AmigaOS/MorphOS to a point where it can compete for house hold OS dominance, then you are going to have to sell a few million copies.  Selling just a few thousand copies for the PEG or A1 will hardly recope the cost of the initial developement.  

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-edit- There are $10 x86 cpu's.  That's the deal we got.  You did have to buy the motherboard ($49.99) and then you got the Athlon 1800+ for $10.
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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #91 on: August 12, 2003, 05:32:16 AM »
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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #92 on: August 12, 2003, 05:38:44 AM »
WTF??  Who's in charge here??

I want to speak to the management!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #93 on: August 12, 2003, 05:43:03 AM »
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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #94 on: August 12, 2003, 05:44:27 AM »
Ladies and Gentlemen...  Friends...

In this particular issue, I must impose my now-retired Amiga.org persona and point out that two wrongs don't make a right.

Brad Webb was wrong in misusing his position as a respected "journalist" in this community to promote his own overt opinions.  That much is plain to see as a lot of you who are now slamming Dave have openly admitted.  While you may or may not be able to overlook it, Brad's comments are certainly no worse than those of some "defenders" (is that term less objectionable than "cheerleader"?) we have had to contend with in this community for a while now.

On the other hand, and I say this with all due respect to Dave Crawford and the rest of the Amiga.org staff (who are otherwise doing a fabulous job), Dave (aka Targhan) -- IMHO -- stepped over a thin line with posting his opinion as a news article on the site.    A forum post would have been warranted.  A post of Brad's article with Dave's comments as the first would have been warranted.  A news article it is not.

In that particular way, Dave lost a little bit of his own unbiased view, and to those of you whom he offended, I ask that you step back and realize how truly "offensive" Brad's biased viewpoint is to those who are proverbially slaving away to give classic Amiga owners a real alternative for the future.

So, who is really wrong in this situation?  The man who said it?  Or perhaps the man who retorted?  I suppose this is an instance where I could just as easily said "neither.... or both..."

Initially, as I checked my messages late this evening, I thought to close the thread here.  Xoops doesn't allow that, so I thought to simply remove the item altogether but that would kill 90 posts and not be taken well by either "side".  

Humorously, I remembered that neither is strictly my "job" any more, and I hate to go all Rodney King on you, but I leave you with one comment.

This community has survived 8 years without Commodore.  This community has survived 3 years of Amiga Inc.  We have grown up together, we have all had good moments and bad.  Now that there are good things happening for the community by way of several available alternative options, it is radicalism and closed-mindedness which is destroying the community that WE built.  (NOT Commodore.  Not Amiga International, NOT Escom, NOT Amiga Inc., and NOT Genesi).  Closed-mindedness is NOT what the Amiga has ever been about.  Quite the contrary.

If we don't stop the bullshit and start getting along, there will be nothing left worth fighting over.  While it's cool to have a preference, let the products do the talking, not the religion.
 

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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #95 on: August 12, 2003, 05:52:39 AM »
@wayne

Forget all the moral high ground crap.  Dave was wrong to post this as an announcement and he realized that and he took corrective action, Webb made a bad decision to write what he did and as far as I know has not taken any corrective action.  In my oppinion that makes Dave the bigger better PERSON for realizing his mistake and changing things!

Now you make him change it back?

More to the point of just plain common news reporting sense.

I can see how "AmigaUpdate is now Available" can be an announcment, but for the life of me I can not understand how one person's view on ANY subject can fairly be considered an announcement on the front of this site.

Isn't this what the Forums are for? To talk about your opinions on things? Isn't this why you can post a Comment about the news articles?

So if a new version of WinUAE comes out can people just start posting Annoucements about what they think of the latest release? Don't you think the front page would get really cluttered?

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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2003, 06:00:56 AM »
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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2003, 06:01:45 AM »
@amigaguy,

Sigh.... Some of you just can't understand tact, can you?

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Now you make him change it back?


Make who change what back?  I've asked for no changes.  I *DID* go against my retirement (since most of the staff are still training) and move the article back into the announcements category because the current staff didn't realize the amount of customization which has gone into the site.  Creating a new category for editorials BROKE the news display, hence the black on dark gray news header....

The current staff and I instead have been able to figure out a compromise which should suit everyone, but I doubt it since some people just can't breathe without bitching.    :-D
 

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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #98 on: August 12, 2003, 06:12:52 AM »
@wayne

"@amigaguy,

Sigh.... Some of you just can't understand tact, can you?"

First of all I don't appreciate the personal attack.  I don't feel like I was attacking anyone.  I just feel like the community brought something to the webmaster's attention and he aggreed to change it.  

Dave realized this shouldn't have been posted as an announcement, but as something else.

If there are technical problems and you had to move it back to an "Announcement" I think a Disclamer should have been added on the main page for this item explaining something like "this is not meant to be an announcment, but do to technical problems this is where it remains."

Just as an FYI a Genesi employee just coming in and changing things around after the Webmaster and community have aggreed to something makes it look like some Objectivity is being Lost.

I see you have now changed it to Misc.  

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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #99 on: August 12, 2003, 06:13:26 AM »
Amiga: Dead

MorphOS: Alive

Brad: Bitter

Give it a rest already. A market with no products is not a market. Also how the hell can you blame Genesi for Amiga Inc's incompetance?

...oh if only Genesi weren't around...then I could pretend AmigaOS 4 isn't late...

PATHETIC :-x  :-x  :-x
 

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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #100 on: August 12, 2003, 06:17:04 AM »
Amiga user: "Hey, would you like to switch to the Amiga platform?"

New user: "Huh? Are they still being sold? Wha?"

Amiga user: "Well no, but you can join amiga.org and rant about irrelevant stuff for hours. We also like to walk out into a field, open our mouthes, and hope pie flies into them!"

New user (nervously): "Err, are you OK man?"

Amiga user: "It's a simple question man! Do you want to join my cult and wait for pie?"

New user: "Uuuuh, could you hold for a second?" (runs away)
 

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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #101 on: August 12, 2003, 06:21:38 AM »
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Amiga user: "Hey, would you like to switch to the Amiga platform?"

New user: "Huh? Are they still being sold? Wha?"

Amiga user: "Well no, but you can join amiga.org and rant about irrelevant stuff for hours. We also like to walk out into a field, open our mouthes, and hope pie flies into them!"

New user (nervously): "Err, are you OK man?"

Amiga user: "It's a simple question man! Do you want to join my cult and wait for pie?"

New user: "Uuuuh, could you hold for a second?" (runs away)


Ranting about irrelevant stuff for hours would at least give them a chance to test out the latest version of MorphOS and see how well IBrowse runs on it while they post comments  :-D  :-D
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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #102 on: August 12, 2003, 06:22:55 AM »
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The current staff and I instead have been able to figure out a compromise which should suit everyone, but I doubt it since some people just can't breathe without bitching.


Darnit all Wayne, you always seem to find a way to include me in your catch-all clinchers.

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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #103 on: August 12, 2003, 06:48:42 AM »
Poster: downix Date: 2003/8/11 23:02:51


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x86 is a failed route,


That's the reason it accounts for 97% of total computers sold?  Give me that type of failure any day. ;)

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you'd be killed due to competition from all fronts. On PowerPC you can control the hardware better. You can limit your competition. Plus, PPC is cheaper than x86, and the new 970 is faster than x86 too.


Limit your competition maybe good for the company, it's not good for the consumers/end users.  The cheaper/faster is yet to be proven vs a like CPU/mobo.  Once both are out in the wild, then we can see what the numbers are like for cheaper and faster.  I have a feeing, it won't be PPC.

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Re: AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.
« Reply #104 from previous page: August 12, 2003, 06:56:17 AM »
Poster: strobe Date: 2003/8/12 1:13:26

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..oh if only Genesi weren't around...then I could pretend AmigaOS 4 isn't late...


Not quiet, AROS is still out there clawing and scratching it's way into the OS world.  So that alone would remind you OS4 is what, "On schedule and Rock'n" plus two years?

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