Poseidon Registrations End

[voxel]

@ tjaoz :

>And what was the meaning of the sentence:
'Registration of the Poseidon stack for Mediator users will be provided by Chris Hodges,'
which is in their website here? (link to an old news page somewhere on the website)

Do you really think that the common user that want to buy an usb card for his Amiga will do a site search to find obscure pages one years old before validating his order? NO, but he would have to.

Most of the times he will read the category page : http://www.buy.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?info=770S20 ,
and eventually follow the link in it to the product page where it can find more infos (they said) : http://www.elbox.com/products/spider_usb_20_pci.html
but don't go any further.

And on these two pages, the most visible to the average user, it is NOT stated that you cant use the card WITHOUT poseidon and that you MUST register it yourself to do so and there is no links to any news pages...

>i.e; the small part of code that's needed by Poseidon to recognize WHAT USB CARD is present in the Amiga
>You are completely ignorant what you are writing about.

It is said that UHCI and OHCI drivers are included for Amithlon and Mediator systems.

Let see the USB Host Controler Interface (UHCI) design guide :

1. OVERVIEW
A USB Host System is composed of a number of hardware and software layers.

* USB Driver (USBD). The USBD system software that supports USB in a particular operating system.
* Client driver software. This software executes on the host PC corresponding to a particular USB device. Client
software is typically part of the operating system or provided with the USB device.

Hey! is it not here that we found Poseidon services ? :-) lets continue...

* Host Controller Driver (HCD). HCD provides the software layer between the Host Controller hardware and the
USBD. The UHCI's HCD interprets requests from the USBD and builds Frame List, Transfer Descriptor, Queue
Head, and data buffer data structures for the Host Controller. The data structures are built in system memory
and contain all necessary information to provide end-to-end communication between client software in the host
and devices on the USB.
* Host Controller (HC). The Host Controller is managed by the HCD software layer. The UHCI's Host Controller
executes the schedule lists generated by HCD and reports the status of transactions on the USB to HCD.
Command execution includes generating serial bus token and/or data packets based on the command and
initiating transmission on USB. For commands that require the Host Controller to receive data from the USB
device, the Host Controller receives the data and then transfers it to the system memory pointed to by the
command. The UHCI's HCD provides sufficient commands and data to keep ahead of the Host Controller
execution and analyzes the results as the commands are completed.

This is what Elbox is providing : interface beetween the USB controler CHIPs on the Spider, memory and Poseidon services.

And poseidon is providing the interface between USB Devices and it's services drivers (masstorage.class, hid.class, ect...) through the UHCI or OHCI drivers.

* USB Device. This is a hardware device that performs a useful end-user function. Interactions with USB devices
flow from the applications through the software and hardware layers to the USB devices.

And that is the usefull hardware thingies you want to connect to your USB card (printer, scanner, card reader, keyboards, etc, ect...) :-P

So if you remove the UHCI/OHCI drivers (spideruhci.device or whatever it is called), you dont have access to the USB controler and Poseidon is unable to access the USB devices connected to it,

and if you remove Poseidon you have a useless USB card... :-P

Amigalement,
Jean-François, Amiga ONLY since 1985.

[ikir]

1. This was Chris Hodges who approached Elbox with the proposal of co-operation.
Not Elbox, but CHRIS CHOSE DIRECT USER REGISTRATION. That was Hodges decision and Elbox accepted it. Read more about it here.

2. Hodges explained that in this way he received more money from each user than in case of the OEM licence.

3. Elbox clearly informs that Poseidon stack needs to be bought separately, see Spider page. Elbox USB 2.0 DRIVERS for Poseidon stack are enclosed with the Spider card.

1- true
2- true
3- true, i've read it when the first news about spider comes uot on elbox pages. You acn read it wheneven on the Spider pages on Elbox site.

The rdb story s old, i'm with elbox because dce is famous for stole driver from mediator and prometeus. The rdb cose enter in action only you if do ILLEGAL thing with elbox drivers. In all cases Elbox removes these codes form the divers.

Elbox enemies use this story for their purpose.
Do you say that  tjaoz are repeating always the same things? It seems to me taht you are doing these.

And on the Poseidon site, you can read that the support for the ALREADY registered users will cease in the future....... Thanks for these Chris, thanks for killing amiga market.

I hope that you sellings of oldzorro usb 1.1, clockport, hack hardware from E3B goes well.

Thanks to much.

[ikir]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/highway_usb/message/870

[xeron]

- Edit -

[... snip rant ...]

Forget it. I can't be bothered. Lets just say I believe elbox behaved badly in the past.

[platon42]

Agreeing to stuff tjaoz wrote, will not make it any closer to the truth.

> And on the Poseidon site, you can read that the support for the ALREADY registered users will cease in the future.......

Pardon me? Where did you read that? Back to elementary school please. Ikir, I usually believed that your postings were above the level of those of Rat. But now you seem to try twisting my words on purpose. You have read the announcement two weeks ago, and you know, that you want to let people here think of that I wrote something different on my homepage. Are you a Spider user BTW? Or are you just jumping the line?

>Thanks for these Chris, thanks for killing amiga market.

Sure, I think it'd better leave these lovely and supporting users behind, leave the classic amiga market and go for MorphOS only. Everything I do and did for the Amiga is voluntarily work. I don't make a living of it. I can leave at any time. Do you want me to?

[tjaoz]

Edited by Kees - Personal insult

Multiple posts were deleted

[Kees]

No more insulting and no more trolling

[Elektro]

socks


 :-P

[tjaoz]

Dear Kees,

I was astonished to see that you have removed all my yesterday's responses to the messages by Chris Hodges/platon42, to the message by Jean-François/voxel and to the message by Kaminari.

To remind you the posts I am writing about, here is the backup of this discussion from yesterday at 23:06 CET, when I sent my last post.

I cannot understand why you have removed my message to Jean-François/voxel, because my post only included indication of elementary erroneous information which Jean-François/voxel wrote about the Spider website. Could you explain please why my response to this message was removed and why you have marked it 'personal insults?' The post by Jean-François/voxel included complete misinformation, so why is a response to it not welcome by you?

I cannot understand why you have removed my message to Kaminari, whom I asked whom he was representing by his writing: 'And our personal experience tells us that you're a troll.'

In my messages to Chris Hodges I clearly and reliably present facts from Chris' behaviour against myself, that is his client. Chris Hodges is earning money in the Amiga market. Persons like him have the same obligations like any other business company. However, what Chris is doing to his clients, cannot be included in any civilised principles.

When Chris Hodges yesterday sent me away to a therapist, you did not remove his message. When Chris Hodges insulted me and others, you were tolerating his behaviour, and when I responded to his posts, you simply removed all my answers. Could you explain why?

When Chris Hodges insulted me some time ago in Amiga.org (in this thread), twisting my name, none of the moderators reacted. Could you explain why?

Chris Hodges writes to Ikir in this thread: 'Back to elementary school please.'
You have left this text by Chris and you removed my response to this insult. Could you explain why you removed only my response?

Is Chris Hodges entitled to offending people, but responding to his insulting posts is not allowed?

My impression is that you removed my responses when I started asking Chris questions, with which he cannot feel comfortable. There is no any reason why he could have switched off my keys, because I had never written anything against him beforehand. Thus he cannot give any links to prove his point.

Would it be wrong if people reading amiga.org learned who Hodges really is? Is it all right that amiga.org attempts to hide the real behaviour of Chris Hodges?

Is showing unethical behaviour of Chris Hodges against users of the Poseidon stack and against Elbox something that you would like to hide before the readers of Amiga.org?

Best regards,

Jacek Szczurek

[Targhan]

@tjaoz
Your other post has been obliterated.  You have made your point in this singular post.  There is absolutely no reason to multiple post the same links.  It has been removed. Amen.

Further, you have now officially crossed the line.  When you are on Amiga.Org, you WILL respect the moderators.  I understand you have a dispute with Mr. Hodges.  It is understandable that you are both on different sides of an arguement.  Kees also came back and cleaned up some of the mess left by the other side.

You did not adhere to the law of common sense, "If you have a problem with a moderator, take it to the webmaster."  By slandering the moderator, and therefore the site FIRST, you have put me in the position to take action that I do not like to do.  You are suspended from posting until September 1.

DO NOT SLANDER MODERATORS

[Targhan]

tjoaz

I know you will read this.  If we catch you trying to post on Amiga.org under a different username prior to September 1 (US Central time, midnight), you will be permanantly banned.

[edit]
You may shorten the suspension by emailing Kees, and any other two moderators explaining how you will not throw out accusations everytime you post in the future.  Further, you will apologize to Kees immediately after your suspension is removed.
[/edit]

[Targhan]

Requirements met.  Three moderators and/or admins have agreed that tjoaz has shown good faith, and has had his rights restored.

Thank you tjoaz for emailing in private.

[ikir]

Voluntarily work?  20 EURO for every user is not voluntuarily work!!!  


From Poseidon USB homepage:
"Users, who have registered before this date are not (yet) affected. Eventually, the free updates will cease at some point (but not this year). "

You ARE ATTACKING THE AMIGA USERS WHO SUPPORTS YOUR SOFTWARE!!!

[ikir]

What do i want? I think you are a good programmer, and i like to see you support the amiga comunity.

I will not ever buy a silly card like subway, highway or Algor. These are very old solution based on clock (OMG) port and Zorro.......

If i'll buy a USB card it will be a  Spider, and again: i like your software i don't uderstand your doings.

PROUD AMIGA USER, ikir

[PhatAgnus]

All I can say is that I've been a proud owner of the Highway card teamed
with Chris Hodges' Poseidon USB stack since its' introduction.
And as for support, Chris has offered me solutions and suggestions
"one on one" without so much as a request for thanks. Yeah, I paid
for registration already and it's been worth every penny
of it and more. There's been more than a years worth of free updates to all
registered users. That's UNHEARD of in any other platform! So the free
upgrades will cease at some point in time So What!! When the time comes
I'll gladly fork out the fee requested for that upgrade! I know the stability
of the program AND it's Writer!! Chris, I'll support your works so long as you care to
provide them to the Amiga community. Long may you reign.

To Tjaos: It's chumps like you that drove Wayne out of the fighter's chair
at the bow of this web site! Thanks for all YOU'VE done!!

[voxel]

just a little note to tjaoz :^)

Yes you're right, I forget EHCI driver is provided with spider. Thanx to remind me :-)

BTW, according to it's specs, EHCI is what it's name says : an "Ehanced" HCI for usb 2.0 hardware controlers, it works together as a complementary layer of the USB UHCI/OHCI control software, like UHCI but for usb 2 controler chipset.

So my precedent post is still valid :-P

Amigalement,
Jean-François, Amiga ONLY since 1985 and until earth cease spinning ;^)