Poseidon Registrations End

[tjaoz]

@Jean-Francois

It seems that you do not know the facts at all.

1. This was Chris Hodges who approached Elbox with the proposal of co-operation.
Not Elbox, but CHRIS CHOSE DIRECT USER REGISTRATION. That was Hodges decision and Elbox accepted it. Read more about it here.

2. Hodges explained that in this way he received more money from each user than in case of the OEM licence.

3. Elbox clearly informs that Poseidon stack needs to be bought separately, see Spider page. Elbox USB 2.0 DRIVERS for Poseidon stack are enclosed with the Spider card.

Are you suggesting that Hodges wants now Elbox to buy the OEM licence, and CHRIS WOULD SEND MONEY BACK to all those Spider users who paid him?
No way, be serious, that is not what he is after. Chris wants to hamper sales of the Spider, because BOEHEMER ASKS HIM TO DO SO, that is all.

[Bennymee]

He said 3 of the beta team has Pegasos, not the the Friedens what i remember.

[Bennymee]

Yep, it was the other way around.

[voxel]

@tjaoz :

>3. Elbox clearly informs that Poseidon stack needs to be bought separately, see Spider page. Elbox USB 2.0 DRIVERS for Poseidon stack are enclosed with the Spider card.

FALSE! : it is never stated on the pages that you MUST BUY poseidon apart to fully use the card! reread carrefully that pages.

The drivers from Elbox are the HARDWARE drivers (i.e; the small part of code that's needed by Poseidon to recognize WHAT USB CARD is present in the Amiga).

Amigalement,
Jean-François, Amiga ONLY since 1985.

[tjaoz]

@Jean-François

>3. Elbox clearly informs that Poseidon stack needs to be bought separately, see Spider page. Elbox USB 2.0 DRIVERS for Poseidon stack are enclosed with the Spider card.

FALSE! : it is never stated on the pages that you MUST BUY poseidon apart to fully use the card! reread carrefully that pages.

Do have any problems with reading?

What in your opinion does the following point mean in the requirements to use the Spider card:
' • Poseidon stack (for Amithlon and Mediator based systems)'?
All Spider requirements you can find here.

And what was the meaning of the sentence:
'Registration of the Poseidon stack for Mediator users will be provided by Chris Hodges,'
which is in their website here?

(i.e; the small part of code that's needed by Poseidon to recognize WHAT USB CARD is present in the Amiga).

Edited by Kees - Personal Insult

Titan has been writing drivers (only USB 1.1) to the Poseidon for over a year and their current status is mere 40%.

[Doobrey]

@Tjaoz.
 Why don`t you give it a rest, everywhere I look I see you bad mouthing Chris Hodges, on the Highway Yahoo group, on ANN, on Amigaworld, you sound like a whining little kid who`s had his football taken away.

 I like the way all your "proof" of Chris and Micheal Boehemer comes from Elbox.. yeah, they`re nice and trustworthy aren`t they ? ( Remember the "We havent got RDB trashing code in our drivers " lie?)
 It has NOTHING to do with restricting competing products, check the VGR site, you can see for yourself there are other cards (not made by E3B) that Poseidon supports.
 It has nothing to do with money either..see your own quote about the fact that Chris gets LESS money selling it the OEM way.

Dude, I hope Chris sues your sorry arse for the libel you`ve been spreading about.  And you wonder why he stopped your reg key??

Anyway. why are you so annoyed, according to the Elbox Spider page, they`ve got their own USB stack almost ready to go.

[platon42]

Okay, people, could you all please calm down a bit? I do have reasons for this decision and I can send them to you privately. I'm currently setting up a page where you all can read the whole story to ruin your day. But until this is done, all assumptions about my motives are moot.

And as for "Rat" aka "Jacek" aka "Tjaoz": I did give you my reasons. Read them up in the mailing list (if you are able to read). But on each new posting of yours you give me more and more reasons and confirm that my decision was right. You live next door to Elbox. You use every single moment of your life to promote their products and bash competitors. Everyone can check this, check your postings on the list, in the forum, and they will draw their conclusions. As for me, I don't see any reasons to respond to you any further. Simply because there is no reason in your head.

You keep repeating the same things over and over again, purposely omitting other important information and statements. Give it a rest, nobody wants to hear it anymore.

To voxel: it's not about the licencing or about money (at least, this is a very very minor part of the whole story).

To all: You see, I'm doing my software for fun. The moment it stops to be fun, I'll bail out. Normally, this has got nothing to do with the users, which are in most cases the best users you can think of -- supportive, thankful and nagging. It's not that I'm wanting to hurt the users. But ceasing the registration is the only means I've got. I cannot afford to sue Elbox. At this point, I'd rather would.

This has got nothing to do with Michael Boehmer. I'm an indivually thinking entity, not attached like a hunchback to some other person.

Maybe tomorrow I can get it all online. I don't want all this conspiracy theory anymore.

[DanDude]

Hmmmm....

 :-?

[tjaoz]

@Doobrey

Why don`t you give it a rest, everywhere I look I see you bad mouthing Chris Hodges, on the Highway Yahoo group, on ANN, on Amigaworld, you sound like a whining little kid who`s had his football taken away.

I am writing about facts between myself and Hodges. If this gives bad impression of Hodges, it only means that his behaviour has been improper. My personal experience shows that he is a dishonest person.

I like the way all your "proof" of Chris and Micheal Boehemer comes from Elbox.. yeah, they`re nice and trustworthy aren`t they ?

 What I am writing about Hodges and Elbox comes from my own experience.

I bought keys for Poseidon with Hodges, and he erased them after a few months out of his whims. He even did not bother to write me an email in this issue.

I bought a number of items from Elbox. All of them perform excellent. I can always count on help from their technical support. Yes, they really are very helpful and friendly.

( Remember the "We havent got RDB trashing code in our drivers " lie?)

As usually, the tale of people who do not have Elbox hardware.

When there is nothing you can complain about, you will make up stories like that of the RDB code. Do you remember when this affair broke out? November 2002, right after the WOASE fair, where Alan Redhouse of Eyetech informed that Pegasos boards (that just started selling) were based on defective ArticiaS chips. Something was needed to detract attention. Just read out who was so much caring about Mediator users at that time and you will find statements from the major Pegasos supporters. They preapred this issue and they were pretending to be most caring.

For Mediator users like me and many others, such actions are simple unimportant.

It has NOTHING to do with restricting competing products, check the VGR site, you can see for yourself there are other cards (not made by E3B) that Poseidon supports.

LOL. These PCI USB cards on the VGR site are VAPUORWARE. The info about these Ganymede1, Io1, Callisto1 cards has been there for many months, but no-one offers them.

It has nothing to do with money either..see your own quote about the fact that Chris gets LESS money selling it the OEM way.

It is about money and honesty of Chris Hodges.

Chris Hodges gets money directly from Spider users. Some people here suggest that Hodges would like to take the same money once again, now as the OEM licence.

Dude, I hope Chris sues your sorry arse for the libel you`ve been spreading about.

What libel am I spreading about Hodges, man?
He switched off my keys without giving any reason. That's a fact. About suing: I have filed a complaint against Hodges with the German federation of consumers.

And you wonder why he stopped your reg key??

Yes. I am very much amazed why Hodges switched off my registration keys for the Poseidon.

Hodges did not have any reason for this and he never stated any specific reason. He switched off my keys in March, right after I wrote in the Highway ML that I have found an error in the Algor specs. And this is a fact, either.

I have never wrote anything against Chris Hodges or his product, the Poseidon stack, before his switching off my keys.

Anyway. why are you so annoyed, according to the Elbox Spider page, they`ve got their own USB stack almost ready to go.

I have already paid for the USB stack to Hodges and I do not want to pay for the stack second time.

[tjaoz]

@platon42

And as for "Rat" aka "Jacek" aka "Tjaoz": I did give you my reasons. Read them up in the mailing list (if you are able to read).

A LIE.
Chris, you have never given any specific reason for your switching off my keys. You only wrote that you had had some vague reasons, but you never stated them. You are a liar, Chris, you know it very well.

But on each new posting of yours you give me more and more reasons and confirm that my decision was right. You live next door to Elbox.  

What are you writing, Chris!?
You have switched off my keys in March 2003 as in August 2003 you got a confirmation that your decision was ok? Something is very bad with your head!

So what that I live in the same city as Elbox has its office? Was it the reason for you to switch off my keys for Poseidon, for which I paid you?

You use every single moment of your life to promote their products

I'm an Elbox supporter. In my opinion their products are great. They respect each one of their users. They are very supportive. In my opinion, this is the only real professional company in the Amiga market.

I am a free person and i can write things that reflect my feelings.

and bash competitors.

I wrote several times that USB 1.1 is obsolete, which is a commonly known fact. Nothing to do with bashing anybody.

Just look at yourself. Every time, you Chris are trying to write bad things about Elbox products. You have suggested in public many times that the price for Spider USB 2.0 is too high. That's so funny, because I have never seen you write that E3B cards are too expensive. And they are much more expensive than Spider, although these are only USB 1.1 controllers.

As for me, I don't see any reasons to respond to you any further. Simply because there is no reason in your head.

I do not expect any response from you, Chris. For several months, I have been asking you about reasons for your switching off my keys. Nothing, you are not responding. You are only writing that you had some terrible reasons. And you are not responding, because you have nothing to say. You simply switched off my keys after I had written about error info in the Algor specs. Now it is clear.

You keep repeating the same things over and over again, purposely omitting other important information and statements. Give it a rest, nobody wants to hear it anymore.

Why are you talking on behalf of others? How do you know what people would like to read about? Just speak for yourself, please. For a liar like you, making others aware of truth about you might not be so good.

To all: You see, I'm doing my software for fun. The moment it stops to be fun, I'll bail out. Normally, this has got nothing to do with the users,

Good that you are writing software for fun. Still, remember that when you take money for using this software, since that moment you are bound with the same regulations which apply to any seller. You cannot tell your client that you have taken money from him for fun, and that you switch off his keys.

But ceasing the registration is the only means I've got. I cannot afford to sue Elbox. At this point, I'd rather would.

All your attacks and false statements against Elbox are so much telling about you. Elbox always kindly responds to your attacks. If I were them, I would be more definite.

If anybody missed Hodges last message against Elbox, it is here. And here is the response from Elbox.
From these messages it is clear that how easily Hodges make false statements against Elbox, with no grounds for them. That's slander.

This has got nothing to do with Michael Boehmer. I'm an indivually thinking entity, not attached like a hunchback to some other person.
 

Really?
So how would you explain the fact that you switched off my Poseidon keys right after I noticed false information in the Algor specs and wrote about it in the Highway ML? This confirms Michael Boehmer having impact on your behaviour.

[platon42]

Edited by Kees - Personal insult

[Kaminari]

To tjaoz:

And our personal experience tells us that you're a troll. Now cut the crap.

[platon42]

Edit by Kees - Personal insult

[Ponos2D]

It looks like we Amigans are happy and friendly
bunch of People :-D

PEACE!!!

[xeron]

As usually, the tale of people who do not have Elbox hardware.

When there is nothing you can complain about, you will make up stories like that of the RDB code

Whoaaaaa. Hold on there. This is a very old, and very tired subject, but I will not have people claiming that the RDB story is made up.

I am a mediator user (if you want proof, I wrote SuperTV). The malicious RDB code *DID* exist, and I verified its existance in pci.library on MY system myself. I saw it with my own eyes. Elbox outright lied at the time, claiming there was no such code.

[voxel]

@ tjaoz :

>And what was the meaning of the sentence:
'Registration of the Poseidon stack for Mediator users will be provided by Chris Hodges,'
which is in their website here? (link to an old news page somewhere on the website)

Do you really think that the common user that want to buy an usb card for his Amiga will do a site search to find obscure pages one years old before validating his order? NO, but he would have to.

Most of the times he will read the category page : http://www.buy.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?info=770S20 ,
and eventually follow the link in it to the product page where it can find more infos (they said) : http://www.elbox.com/products/spider_usb_20_pci.html
but don't go any further.

And on these two pages, the most visible to the average user, it is NOT stated that you cant use the card WITHOUT poseidon and that you MUST register it yourself to do so and there is no links to any news pages...

>i.e; the small part of code that's needed by Poseidon to recognize WHAT USB CARD is present in the Amiga
>You are completely ignorant what you are writing about.

It is said that UHCI and OHCI drivers are included for Amithlon and Mediator systems.

Let see the USB Host Controler Interface (UHCI) design guide :

1. OVERVIEW
A USB Host System is composed of a number of hardware and software layers.

* USB Driver (USBD). The USBD system software that supports USB in a particular operating system.
* Client driver software. This software executes on the host PC corresponding to a particular USB device. Client
software is typically part of the operating system or provided with the USB device.

Hey! is it not here that we found Poseidon services ? :-) lets continue...

* Host Controller Driver (HCD). HCD provides the software layer between the Host Controller hardware and the
USBD. The UHCI's HCD interprets requests from the USBD and builds Frame List, Transfer Descriptor, Queue
Head, and data buffer data structures for the Host Controller. The data structures are built in system memory
and contain all necessary information to provide end-to-end communication between client software in the host
and devices on the USB.
* Host Controller (HC). The Host Controller is managed by the HCD software layer. The UHCI's Host Controller
executes the schedule lists generated by HCD and reports the status of transactions on the USB to HCD.
Command execution includes generating serial bus token and/or data packets based on the command and
initiating transmission on USB. For commands that require the Host Controller to receive data from the USB
device, the Host Controller receives the data and then transfers it to the system memory pointed to by the
command. The UHCI's HCD provides sufficient commands and data to keep ahead of the Host Controller
execution and analyzes the results as the commands are completed.

This is what Elbox is providing : interface beetween the USB controler CHIPs on the Spider, memory and Poseidon services.

And poseidon is providing the interface between USB Devices and it's services drivers (masstorage.class, hid.class, ect...) through the UHCI or OHCI drivers.

* USB Device. This is a hardware device that performs a useful end-user function. Interactions with USB devices
flow from the applications through the software and hardware layers to the USB devices.

And that is the usefull hardware thingies you want to connect to your USB card (printer, scanner, card reader, keyboards, etc, ect...) :-P

So if you remove the UHCI/OHCI drivers (spideruhci.device or whatever it is called), you dont have access to the USB controler and Poseidon is unable to access the USB devices connected to it,

and if you remove Poseidon you have a useless USB card... :-P

Amigalement,
Jean-François, Amiga ONLY since 1985.