Poseidon Registrations End

[Targhan]

As previously reported, the deadline for Poseidon registrations was to end on August first.  The date has passed, and THIS was posted on the Poseidon home page.  

[Bennymee]

Dropped for ALL times ?

I thought they had an agreement.

http://www.elbox.com/news_02_09_11B.html

[JoannaK]

Firstly, that annoucement is almost year old.. a lot can happen in time like that. And anyone readin Ann.lu has been able to see some parts of it..

And.... Elbox has anounced a lot of strange things during last years.

Like upcoming AmigaOS4 magically working on their (still vapor) Shark PPC (and +) cards. According Hyperion (and they DO know OS4 development) there is no such card in their hands nor any support at all has even been made.

[Bennymee]

Did the Poseidon author reject the official announcement then, apart from the Poseidon registrations end ?
I would when such an announcement was written on their website and across mailinglists.

like you say yourself a lot can happen in a year and the announcement from Elbox magically working on a SharkPPC is also long time ago.
Didn't Buck say OS4 works on the Pegasos ? Does Hyperion have a Pegasos, no.

[Doobrey]

I can understand Chris stopping new registrations from Spider users, but what about the existing users who have already paid for Poseidon?

"Eventually, the free updates will cease at some point (but not this year)."
 It`s no skin off Chris`s nose to let them have the updates others will get, since it`s Elbox that have to deal with the spider driver.

 I`m just glad I got a Highway  :-D

[LP]

This s**ks... Hmm... does anyone wan't to buy a SpiderII USB Card?

:-(

[ikir]

Infact this is very stupid. Chris are attacking the users.

I'll never support Poseidon anymore.

[Jupp3]

Does Hyperion have a Pegasos, no.

According to Ben Hermans (in AmiWest speech) They do have, 3 of them...

[tjaoz]

It looks like it is Michael Boehmer, highway/subway/algor producer, who is behind the Hodges' move.

Spider USB 2.0 is simply to too good, too fast and too inexpansive. E3B USB products cannot compete with it in any way. Stopping the Poseidon registration is the way how Boehmer and Hodges want to force users to buy their obsolete and overpiced USB 1.1 controllers.

Breaking the agreement is nothing for Chris Hodges, this is his usual behaviour, this guy has no ethics. See my case.
I'm a Spider user from the very beginning. I bought keys for Poseidon early October directly from Chris. I paid him 20 EUR for them. In March Chris Hodges unexpectedly switched off my keys, without even contacting me about it! It was just after I had told Boehmer in the Highway ML that there was an error in the Algor specs page.

Hodges did not give any specific reason for switching my keys, and in a Poseidon update, he wrote only this: 'Nevertheless, this is a free update for all registered and licensed users except for one. This "Rat" has to stick to the old version. Support is something bilateral.'

In public discussions Chris Hodges suggests that I have did some terrible things against him, which is clearly untrue.  He does not even respond to my public questions about the actual reason for his switching off my personal keys!

Now I am of the opinion that Chris Hodges is simply a dishonest and unreliable person. He does not care about users, and he makes his support dependent on his private whims.

[System]

Didn't Buck say OS4 works on the Pegasos ?

No.

[ikir]

Spider USB 2.0 is simply to too good, too fast and too inexpansive. E3B USB products cannot compete with it in any way. Stopping the Poseidon registration is the way how Boehmer and Hodges want to force users to buy their obsolete and overpiced USB 1.1 controllers.

True.Noone classic amiga usb card can compete with Spider.

He does not care about users, and he makes his support dependent on his private whims.

He can't penalize the users. And then yes i also think that he does what Michael Boehmer says.

[voxel]

@ ikir :

Selling a product affirming that it's cheaper and faster than the competition and that the driver (A.K.A. poseidon stack (the ONLY stack that works with it)) is included and forcing the customer to register it (poseidon) cause the seller don't want to pay for an OEM license to chris IS STUPID!

There is a VERY BIG difference between a DEVELOPPER licence and an OEM licence :

- the first one is for INTERNAL MANUFACTURER use ONLY, to test and addapt the software closelly to the hardware and NEVER meant to go outside of the laboratories, this one can be FREE :-) but not everytime...

- the second one is for the CUSTOMERS (YOU) of the finished product that get a hardware in working conditions AND the software FULLY REGISTERED in OEM form (at the name of the hardware vendor AND working SOLELY WITH THAT HARDWARE), this one COST MONEY and that's why you pay some bucks more your hardware :-)

It seems that ELBOX hasn't yet understand that simple facts :-x

They are OK to sell lots of Spider cards but they don't want to pay for an OEM licence, they want YOU to pay YOURSELF for THEM that licence by registering the stack, but forget to tell you BEFORE YOU BUY that the included stack is an unregistered demo version YOU MUST REGISTER BEFORE to get the full fonctionnalities!

That's what I call STUPID and VERY BAD commercial acting!

In fatcs, if they were supplying a generic stack of their own with the Spider (fully fonctionnal) AND let you have the possibility to prefer using Poseidon instead by registering it directly, there will be NO PROBLEMS at all!

In the present case, and after all that Chris had to support from Elbox, he made the RIGHT and ONLY decision to have, he is not attacking users as the registered ones will continue to get support.

Now, the only choice Elbox have is to BUY an OEM licence (like Michael did for it's Highway, Subway and Algor cards per example) or develop a stack themselves.

Amigalement,

Jean-Francois, Amiga ONLY since 1985 and Poseidon active supporter since it's very first version!

[Jupp3]

btw, wasn't the whole point in PCI being able to use "general" cheap
hardware instead of custom hardware?

So... Why Mediator users have to use Spider instead of any cheaper "standard" USB card?

[xeron]

@ikir:

How do you know Chris is doing this to spite the users? How do you know this is only done because of competition with E3B cards? Hmm? Answer: you don't. You are calling Chris' actions "stupid" without any idea of the reasons behind it.

Personally, I don't know exactly what went on between Elbox and Chris, but lets look at Elbox's past history, shall we? They've pissed off the Picasso96 authors, over very similar issues. Do you think it might be possible that Elbox's attitudes to licensing could be something to do with this, hmm?

[tjaoz]

@Jean-Francois

It seems that you do not know the facts at all.

1. This was Chris Hodges who approached Elbox with the proposal of co-operation.
Not Elbox, but CHRIS CHOSE DIRECT USER REGISTRATION. That was Hodges decision and Elbox accepted it. Read more about it here.

2. Hodges explained that in this way he received more money from each user than in case of the OEM licence.

3. Elbox clearly informs that Poseidon stack needs to be bought separately, see Spider page. Elbox USB 2.0 DRIVERS for Poseidon stack are enclosed with the Spider card.

Are you suggesting that Hodges wants now Elbox to buy the OEM licence, and CHRIS WOULD SEND MONEY BACK to all those Spider users who paid him?
No way, be serious, that is not what he is after. Chris wants to hamper sales of the Spider, because BOEHEMER ASKS HIM TO DO SO, that is all.