Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest

[cgutjahr]

@KennyR:

The connection is simple. Go to Amigaworld.net and start an account. Start a new thread with the title "Why you should think twice about Amiga Inc." with some very mild accusations. Then sit back and watch the foam fly.

And what his this got to do with this thread? The topic is "Bill McEwen will not attend AmiWest". Way before the first "fanboy" has contributed to this discussion, you feelt the need to insult a whole group of people in advance. That's just annoying.

And note that I did not defend Amigaworld.net (in fact, I attacked Mike Bouma personally), I just stated that I tend to find its "extremely harmless" nature to be less annoying than some of things happening here recently.

I don't understand your point. You say they suck, then say you'd rather not hear them criticised,

I did not say that I don't want to hear them criticised. I'd love to have a sensible discussion about the matter, but certainly not with a Genesi employee that feels the need to accuse a french Amiga user of software piracy (just because he released the OS4 presentation on the web), certainly not with individuals that start the discussion by insulting a large portion of the readers in advance, and certainly not with a MorphOS developer who gets kicked from #morphos because of lack of good manners.

Besides, I was not talking about just this thread, but Amiga.org as a whole.

although you have the ability to stay out of these kind of boring troll threads if you choose to exercise it.

And that's my whole point: People (e.g. Herewegoagain) choose to stay out of all this - and the response is "don't shoot the messenger, if you don't like the message" or "he now belongs to the foaming-mouthed apologists".

I was just trying to point out that people may have valid reasons to abandon Amiga.org. Not every amigaworld.net reader belongs to the MikeB cult.

[HMetal]

@Neko

Methinks you need your glasses checked there, friend.   He did not say "first showing" he said "another chance to see," which asserts that there was already a previous viewing.

[Jose]

"Personally, I couldn't care less where Bill McEwen shows up, and I find it ironic that those who care most about it is those who has already bought a Pegasos and should really not be affected in any way..."

Exactly my thoughts. Whata  f*ck has their financial problems to do with the attacks that are being made, it's ilke blaming them of having problems cause they want to.  Some MOS users call people that don't like the sh*t they spread "blind zealots" but you don't see that yourselves are being used too. Sure, you're a customer of a product and you say you're satisfied. So why da hell do you have to be whining about stuff you don't know about (which is almost say 80% of cases?).

[Jose]

@KennyR
"The connection is simple. Go to Amigaworld.net and start an account. Start a new thread with the title "Why you should think twice about Amiga Inc." with some very mild accusations. Then sit back and watch the foam fly."

Been there. Done that. Nothing of what you said happenned. It problably happenend with some people that spread all kinds of FUD and they got there with the same nick. It was at least suspicious what they were trying to do.

"Quote:
Which part of "Amiga Inc suck" didn't you understand?

I don't understand your point. You say they suck, then say you'd rather not hear them criticised, although you have the ability to stay out of these kind of boring troll threads if you choose to exercise it."

So let's see, if Genesi starts having financial problems you guys are just gonna back stabb on them as much as you can? I now I wouldn't. Sure , AmigaDE has nothing to do with AmigaOS, but what's the problem with that? I think if some other company was using "the name" for anything else you woudn't be attacking them. You're just attacking them cause you've been induced to do so. Maybe they shouldn't have licensed others to do  AmigaOSPPC and just let it die. You would be more happy them? It's amazing some people even attack Eyetech or Hyperion cause they are related to AInc. All because some other company also has a product?. I don't like much thing about AINc. They announced AOS dead in the beginnnig if you remmeber. But the level some of you take things here is, to say the least not healthy ....

[HMetal]

@dammy

Please tell me it is you that is running around making these claims about me.. I'd love it if you were the one that I have served when I find out the name of the original poster.

Of this I am serious, as this is something you DO NOT accuse someone of without some proof other than the brainchild of a wild night of fantasia.

So, for the people who really want the truth, know me and know my word:

1. Amiga Inc. owns the Amiga paypal account
2. I do not have access to withdraw or deposit from/to the Amiga paypal account, other than make purchses as a regular customer if I so choose to buy products.
3. The email address of the paypal account is paypal@amiga.com as anyone who has paid via paypal knows.
4. Yes, I have access to view paypal transactions, as one in my position must have in order to grant access to Club Amiga Membership, features and electronic downloads, etc.
5. I have my own paypal account ray@codemain.com if anyone needs to send me money, which is also the same account used to collect transaction monies for my wife's business at http://www.makecrafts.com

There you have it, if you want to start a lawsuit, bring it on, I'd be most willing to attend with my lawyer and countersue with additional claims for court costs and damages.

So, dammy, shut your fat trap and stop propagating this slander or get yourself a lawyer and bring it into a courtroom where I'll be glad to sue your ass in a countersuit. This paypal crap is pure bullshit to put more fear into people who support Amiga.  Well, here's a clue for you, you aren't going to do it any my expense and get away with it.  And that, you poor misdirected soul, is one of those promises that you people insist that Amiga makes and breaks.  Unfortunately for you, this is a personal promise from me, not Amiga Inc, and one on which you can bank.

Onlookers, please excuse the tone here but this just must stop.

[Ilwrath]

Personally, I find it amusing that I can call Amiga Inc a cancer, and no one bothers to defend them...  Yet anyone who laughs at the thought of Bill McEwen hiding from lawsuits and skipping a convention he personally assured everyone he'd be at (as CEO, no less!)...  is obviously a MorphOS fanboy.

[HMetal]

@Markus Biehler

He didn't sign with CEO. Just a mistake or someone else is the CEO.

That was my accidental omission, that got lost in the transcription and has since been corrected.  The signature as it exists now, is the signature in the original document I  received from Bill McEwen.

[KennyR]

So let's see, if Genesi starts having financial problems you guys are just gonna back stabb on them as much as you can?

Stop there. If they had financial problems, no, nobody reasonable would suddenly pile on top. But no reasonable people did that with AInc after the DE flopped either. I didn't. But if Genesi pulled the same kind of sh1t AInc have done over the years since, then I would - a lot. I owe no loyalty to Genesi and will criticise them without hesitation when they deserve it. I would hope that most other people would do the same. I would be a fool to think Genesi's aims were convergent with my own.

So I'm not attacking AInc because I've been 'induced to say so'. I criticised both AInc and Genesi a lot in the past, when I was determined to get an A1 and to hell with the Pegasos. I attacked AInc then because they are harming the Amiga, and I still do now.

PS: I have never, to my knowledge, attacked Hyperion or Eyetech. At least they are actually providing a product.

[HMetal]

@KennyR

Harming??  So, what are these wild suppositions of unproven crimes? Please refer to the paypal bullshit - which WOULD be a crime if it were true. This is slander, since it is baseless and ficticious and directly harms my character.

Is this little game having the opposite effect?  Is this helping the cause of Amiga detractors?  No, all it is doing is feeding Woods' fantasies and those of his small group of followers in the never-ending soap opera of "let's create a scenario and see if it sticks."

All that is doing is making the normal, realistic people out there see that the people that make and propagate these outrageous claims are a bunch of stark raving lunatics. I agree with them, these people are sad, depressed trolls with no lives of their own so they try to destroy others'.

[dammy]

Poster: HMetal Date: 2003/7/19 14:20:57

Please tell me it is you that is running around making these claims about me.. I'd love it if you were the one that I have served when I find out the name of the original poster.

Of this I am serious, as this is something you DO NOT accuse someone of without some proof other than the brainchild of a wild night of fantasia.

Hmetal, it's not me.  If it was, I would put my name behind it.

There you have it, if you want to start a lawsuit, bring it on, I'd be most willing to attend with my lawyer and countersue with additional claims for court costs and damages.

It's NOT me so you may apologize to ME now.

So, dammy, shut your fat trap and stop propagating this slander or get yourself a lawyer and bring it into a courtroom where I'll be glad to sue your ass in a countersuit. This paypal crap is pure bullshit to put more fear into people who support Amiga. Well, here's a clue for you, you aren't going to do it any my expense and get away with it. And that, you poor misdirected soul, is one of those promises that you people insist that Amiga makes and breaks. Unfortunately for you, this is a personal promise from me, not Amiga Inc, and one on which you can bank.

So you may stop the libel of my character any time, but you love to rant away so I doubt you can control yourself.  Perhaps I may have to find Todd and apologize to him.  I'm starting to see what he had to put up with.  I may have completely misjudged the man.

Dammy

[Jose]

"I attacked AInc then because they are harming the Amiga, and I still do now. "
 
I don't trust all that SG (second generation) stuff they talk about for AmigaOS too. But hell if they are almost going bankrupt how can they do anything? I  don' think they are harming anything, they're just not doing much for the classic stuff, wich is what most of the fans stick to IMHO.
 But at least they licensed others to continue it.

[Legerdemain]

*LOL*

This is just getting worse and worse. Never ever have I seen such kindergarden behaviour. The language is just getting worse and worse, and people are saying more and more rude stuff to each other. Higly amusing!

But then again...

*YAWN*

[KennyR]

Harming?? So, what are these wild suppositions of unproven crimes?

That is best left to the hordes of lawyers and debtors currently running around after AInc.

I agree with them, these people are sad, depressed trolls with no lives of their own so they try to destroy others'.

Then again, they could just be people who are sick fed up of Amiga Inc's apathy, incompetence, cynical delaying tactics, empty words and general bullsh1t.

Today's announcement is typical grade A 100% Amiga Inc.

[Iggy_Drougge]

MetalH wrote:

Harming??

I think that it's fair to say that Amiga, Inc. are harming the Amiga.
It's not so much about what they do, as what they don't do:

* Putting out a new Amiga platform.
* Coming to shows.
* Putting a stop to community FUD.

Of all the above, they have done none.

Amiga, Inc. have had the Amiga IP for several years, yet Amiga G2 is several months from completion.

It's been so long since they attended a show, either a general IT trade show or an Amiga one, that I've forgotten whether they've ever gone to one.

There is always fear, uncertainty and doubt about Amiga, Inc. and the Amiga itself. Amiga, Inc. has not only contributed to this F.U.D. at times, their current strategy is to stay tight as a clam, which makes us even more insecure. What is Amiga, Inc. doing, where do they live, do they even exist? These questions have been beaten to death, without any serious effort from Amiga, Inc. to clear our doubts.

Now, this Bill McEwen fellow says that he won't be able to attend AmiWest, despite having said so two months ago. OTOH, he promises that Amiga, Inc. will be well-represented at the show. Since this is coming from the pen of someone who says himself that he is the boss, the word "well-represented", in the context of his abscene, must be interpreted as meaning that one or more of his subordinate bosses will be there. Who will come, from Amiga, Inc.? Fleecy is the only Amiga, Inc. name I know, and he works with the technological side, while still holding a boss position, so his presence at the show would probably be appreciated.
Now, who will be at AmiWest to act as a stand-in for McEwen? Will it be Fleecy? Will it be you, anonymous Amiga employee, and if so, does your attending of the show really carry the notion of a well-represented Amiga, Inc, seeing as we were expecting the big boss? I think, that for each step you go down into the hierarchy from McEwen, you'll have to increase the man count by at least one in order to account for the decrease in pondus.

[zudobug]

KennyR:

So I'm not attacking AInc because I've been 'induced to say so'. I criticised both AInc and Genesi a lot in the past, when I was determined to get an A1 and to hell with the Pegasos. I attacked AInc then because they are harming the Amiga, and I still do now.

PS: I have never, to my knowledge, attacked Hyperion or Eyetech. At least they are actually providing a product.

(This reply isn't totally directed at KennyR. but what he said sparked a few braincells and this is the result.)

Why attack anyone? What do you get out of it?

I think the point that is being made here is that criticism is fine, and Amiga Inc deserve it. But what is going on here is a little more than criticism. In some cases it's plain rude and uncivil.

Looking through the forum I see every Amiga Inc related thread (and a lot of the others) full of people (including KennyR and others present here) attacking Amiga Inc. Most of the people doing this are pegasos owners and genesi supporters. So no surprise some folk may reason there is an agenda behind the crap.

Old arguments are dug up over and over and it's boring. Do you really think everyone would forget about Amiga Inc's wrong doings if you didn't keep reminding us?

The most annoying thing is that among all the rubbish on this site there are some intelligent and rational things being said that I am interested to read, but it's getting harder and harder to find. Some people are giving up and going elsewhere. What do you expect?

[seer]

Well said zudobug.