Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest

[z5]

What has always amazed me is the passion that some MorpOs users have for AmigaInc. Amazing ! :-)

About the news, no surprise there. What would AmigaInc be doing at Amiwest anyway? The poor lads probably don't even have money to buy a plane ticket.

[Warface]

Let's be totally honest - did anyone ever think for a second he would turn up, anyone at all?

Me for one. To be honest, I still don't know what to think about the CEO dispute. And I thought Bill McEwen and Bill Buck (althought most of the nasty statements were made by trolls in the original ann thread, not by BB himself) meeting at AmiWest will result in a more than interesting conversation.

Fleecy told us when the Q/A started they are sorry about those unrealistic announcements, and they will not make new ones. I've deleted my account on amigaworld.net a month or two before now, the bias and hatred was hardly bearable.

The opposite starts to build up here as well, but those complaining forget the reasons, and blame the effect itself. Well, I say: they DESERVED it.

 What else to say? *shrugs*

I don't dare to say, that I understand the process, as I'm less and less interested in whatever Amiga Inc has to say, but there always be people who will back them up whatever comes, just for their belief's sake. And hate everyone who criticizes the subject of their religion.

(There are hair raising statements coming from both sides, for those believing me a Genesi fanatic. And it seems I might be involved in OS4 as well to some degree. So have a good day, and finish blaming Genesi and their little army (Mike B's own makeup) for everything.)

[olegil]

OS4 on Tour was a preview. I expect a much more finished product now (default look set in stone, plenty of devices and progs ported to ppc)

Personally, I couldn't care less where Bill McEwen shows up, and I find it ironic that those who care most about it is those who has already bought a Pegasos and should really not be affected in any way...

[Warface]

We are speaking about Amiga Inc CEO here. I find it interesting, how ppl blur or sharpen the differences between the Amiga, Amiga Inc, and the creation of OS4 as their agenda dictates.

Bill McEwen has little to do with the creation of OS4 except some da*n unrealistic announcements of it's release date, which we still don't know that these were his own makeups or suggested by Hyperion.

[KennyR]

I have to laugh. One gets called a brainless troll if one criticises a company that has done everything to deserve such criticism. Seems to me the brainless ones are not the critics, but the foaming-mouthed apologists that queue up to defend AInc when as every lie, sham and revelation of its incompetence is open for everyone to see.

And the big irony is, by protecting AInc the apologists are perpetuating their damage on the platform they like so much - the Amiga.

[Legerdemain]

But on the other hand...   not talking about anyone in particular here... there is a big difference between criticism and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. I do often tend to see more of the latter on forums of the like...

I mean, noone gets anything concrete out of being called, or calling someone, a brainless moron. Noone gets anything out of talking negatively about someone or something which he/she doesn't know jack about. But to point out mistakes, talk in sense of "oneself" and being open for discussion and also keeping in mind to hold the discussion on a, so called, mature level, that is far more constructive than jumping names, flaming or whatever the like.

And this I do not point out to lecture anyone, I simply point it out since I do feel that it needs to be said every once in a while (even though it is obvious).

[Ilwrath]

We are speaking about Amiga Inc CEO here. I find it interesting, how ppl blur or sharpen the differences between the Amiga, Amiga Inc, and the creation of OS4 as their agenda dictates.

Yes, very true.... And, in fact... (I probably shouldn't say this, but what the heck??)  Most of the people who want Amiga Inc to die aren't necessarily fans of any other platform...  They just recognize Amiga Inc as a cancer that the rest of the Amiga market can't support.

How can I say this?  Well look at it.  What has Amiga Inc done.  Designed hardware?  nope.  Designed Software?  nope.  Written some documentation?  nope.  They've at least done some marketing, right?  not really....*  (They hob-nobbed with a few people about Amiga Anywhere, but that's about it.)  Yet Amiga Inc are poised to try to take a cut of whatever (miniscule) revenue Hyperion can manage to take in.  

If Amiga Inc managed to fall out of the scene, Hyperion may almost be able to make enough money to avoid their OWN bankruptcy over this ordeal.  (Maybe.  I wouldn't guarantee it.)  But Amiga Inc is sticking around and flapping it's jaws like the Black Knight, or something.  (Come back here!  I'm not dead, yet!)  Amiga Inc is mortally wounded.  Anyone who doesn't believe that just hasn't had their eyes open.  The CEO situation is the final proof anyone should need.  The scans of all the lawsuits stacked up...  There's no way out of it.  The quicker they keel over and drop off, the quicker other things may start happening, perhaps even for the better.

[Wilse]

Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest

Oh! I thought something interesting had happened for a minute. :roll:

[cgutjahr]

@KennyR:

One gets called a brainless troll if one criticises a company that has done everything to deserve such criticism.

I wonder what describing people as "Name followers" or "foaming-mouthed apologists" has to do with critisizing a company?

but the foaming-mouthed apologists that queue up to defend AInc when as every lie, sham and revelation of its incompetence is open for everyone to see.

Which part of "Amiga Inc suck" didn't you understand?

@redrumloa:

It was not my intention to put words in your mouth. I was just exaggerating to achieve a dramatic effect.

However, each time somebody declares to leave Amiga.org, the moderators regret that "he has fallen for MikeB's propaganda", "it's sad to see him head for Amigaworld.net - given the agenda at play there" or "he shouldn't shoot the messenger, if he doesn't like the message".

Whatever way you word it, it always implies that the guy leaving is at fault, because he has been fooled into something.

[Markus_Bieler]

He didn't sign with CEO. Just a mistake or someone else is the CEO.

[KennyR]

I wonder what describing people as "Name followers" or "foaming-mouthed apologists" has to do with critisizing a company?

The connection is simple. Go to Amigaworld.net and start an account. Start a new thread with the title "Why you should think twice about Amiga Inc." with some very mild accusations. Then sit back and watch the foam fly.

Which part of "Amiga Inc suck" didn't you understand?

I don't understand your point. You say they suck, then say you'd rather not hear them criticised, although you have the ability to stay out of these kind of boring troll threads if you choose to exercise it.

[lempkee]

i dont know what to think about this, but it aint making me like pegasos more anyway.

wars and disputes has been a trademark of AMIGA users , and now its a genesi/pegasos trademark..

bad #### is beeing told, then it affect both parties... if it wont end...both will die...

[DanDude]

*SIGH*
 :-(

[Legerdemain]

*YAWN*

[KennyR]

lempkee, you're blaming the symptom. Look for the cause. Not everyone who thinks AInc have had their shot and blew it wants you to buy a Pegasos. ;-) Hell, I still thought that when I was going for the A1 and OS4.

[cgutjahr]

@KennyR:

The connection is simple. Go to Amigaworld.net and start an account. Start a new thread with the title "Why you should think twice about Amiga Inc." with some very mild accusations. Then sit back and watch the foam fly.

And what his this got to do with this thread? The topic is "Bill McEwen will not attend AmiWest". Way before the first "fanboy" has contributed to this discussion, you feelt the need to insult a whole group of people in advance. That's just annoying.

And note that I did not defend Amigaworld.net (in fact, I attacked Mike Bouma personally), I just stated that I tend to find its "extremely harmless" nature to be less annoying than some of things happening here recently.

I don't understand your point. You say they suck, then say you'd rather not hear them criticised,

I did not say that I don't want to hear them criticised. I'd love to have a sensible discussion about the matter, but certainly not with a Genesi employee that feels the need to accuse a french Amiga user of software piracy (just because he released the OS4 presentation on the web), certainly not with individuals that start the discussion by insulting a large portion of the readers in advance, and certainly not with a MorphOS developer who gets kicked from #morphos because of lack of good manners.

Besides, I was not talking about just this thread, but Amiga.org as a whole.

although you have the ability to stay out of these kind of boring troll threads if you choose to exercise it.

And that's my whole point: People (e.g. Herewegoagain) choose to stay out of all this - and the response is "don't shoot the messenger, if you don't like the message" or "he now belongs to the foaming-mouthed apologists".

I was just trying to point out that people may have valid reasons to abandon Amiga.org. Not every amigaworld.net reader belongs to the MikeB cult.