Amiga.org Interview : Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco (6/30/03)

[jahc]

I'm looking for that quote now, so if I find it, I'll be glad to share it. I do not EVER recall seeing BBRV saying that the G3 would be faster than the G4. I believe this has been paraphased into myth, beyond recognizability by those with agendas.

No, he definately said that on ANN a while ago. I've been trying to search for the exact quote as well, but have been unable to find it either. Btw, I dont have an agenda.

-Edit- This was months before the Pegasos2 was announced as well.

[huronking]

The guy's abit of a name dropper isnt he?

[jahc]

I FOUND IT I FOUND IT.. I *thought* they posted this before the Pegasos2 announcement, but I guess I was wrong. Ok here it is:

http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&cpp=1&nid=222&page=32

The first patch that Gerald and Thomas developed works as we know, but there were still bugs. The new Articia (and Teron) is still very likely to have trouble as more problems were detected after the Aachen Show and well after the joint work Gerald did with for the new Articia in October and November with Mai. The April2 brings the Articia fully to the performance levels it claims to achieve. We have purchased the remaining worldwide supply of the old Articias and will make 400 more Pegasos main boards with the G3 CPU. Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia. This will be common knowledge soon (let the others understand this on their own our word will stand as testimony to our knowledge and skill). Once produced, we will stop (we may license production of this version of the Pegasos to Plexuscom or others). These machines will easily satisfy the Amiga market and give us the machines we need to seed our developer base while Gerald and Thomas switch out the old Articia to a much more attractive alternative (details later). This could be ready by the summer. The RAM speed of the Pegasos will be as high as any offered in the market and this WILL attract considerable interest.

[Herewegoagain]

Yes, but so has many others too (like Fleecy and McEwan). There is nothing bad or shameful in trying and failing, and there can be thousands of reasons to failures other than personal qualities (like you insinuate).

Let's get this one straight... I've not insinuated anything.  Just replying to the comment where someone else is making insinuations about a product being "more Amiga" because these people are interested in it... that is all.

I would NOT call Nolan Bushnell, RJ Mical, Dave Haynie, Carl Sassenrath loosers if I were you

Get it right, those are YOUR words.  I never once said any of them are loosers.  Don't try to bait with your trolling comments.  That's not what I said and you know it.

Fleecy is still trying to answer questions about OS4 week after week which never was their product and was not part of their plan).

Care to elaborate on how you know what Amiga Incs. plans for the future are??   Do you have inside info?  If not, don't speculate.

[Herewegoagain]

Product failure != Bad product.

Well, I don't agree with that.  Beta was superior to VHS, Amiga was superior to PC and Mac.... there are surely others.  That doesn't make Amiga a bad product, but it did fail as a major solution in the computing industry.

Which, of course, you just stated (in a round about way) in the last sentence.
 :-)

[System]

@jahc

Ok, I stand partially corrected, but you've answered your own question as well. :-)  Since there's no way for us mere mortals to ever test the speed of an original Teron board to an April2 Pegasos, I guess we'll never know....  Doesn't really matter anyway, because as I said, he NEVER said that "a G3 is faster than a G4" (which is what most claim was said).

[uncharted]

Care to elaborate on how you know what Amiga Incs. plans for the future are??   Do you have inside info?  If not, don't speculate.

He is talking about the change of policy towards OS 4.  Back in 2000 Amiga Inc. considered the classic OS line dead and obsolete and DE was the way of the future.

Then in 2001 there was a U turn and OS4 suddenly became central to the plans as they couldn't turn DE into a desktop OS as they had planned.  OS 4 has never been a in-house project at Amiga Inc. and was never planned as a future path.

This is all very well documented.

[Herewegoagain]

Then in 2001 there was a U turn and OS4 suddenly became central to the plans as they couldn't turn DE into a desktop OS as they had planned. OS 4 has never been a in-house project at Amiga Inc. and was never planned as a future path.

I know that...but it is now (part of thier future plans at least as far as we know).  But why beat a dead horse even more?  

People need to get out of the past and look at the present and future.  Quit trying to stir things from years ago... People, and companies, make mistakes...get over it and move on.  (Not talking about you, Uncharted, but those who continue to try and stir these same old tired topics over and over)

[redfox]

Interesting interview.  Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco are somewhat less talkative in this interview than they are on the forums.

Thanks for taking part in the interview Bill and Raquel.

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redfox

[System]

People need to get out of the past and look at the present and future.

I would agree with this, except that there are things which have happened, and are STILL happening which Amiga Inc has done which very badly damaged the Amiga community in the past.  Let's be honest here.  We, as a community, do not really know Bill McEwen, Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco, Fleecy Moss, Gary Peake, or any of the current "leaders of the pack".  

We -- as a community -- can only judge these people (and companies) on what we perceive that they've done to us as a community versus their ability to do what they've promised.  The past is a very crucial part of how we've ended up here today and is never, ever to be discounted.

So, I think it would be correct to say that we need to study the past, to learn from the mistakes that we all know have happened and to avoid allowing us to be taken in by the same mistakes in the future.  At the same time, we cannot cry over spilt milk, or live in the past.

With this community and even moreso in this business, your words are your bond.  They are a promise.  It was that way, even when Commodore was at it's peak.  So far the odds of survival based on the weight of words versus action are stacked very, very strongly against the "home team".

[Pyromania]

Very nice interview, I would like to add some clarification to the comments about the future of Mozilla in light of the recent settlement between Microsoft and AOL.  Included in the settlement was a request by AOL to still be allowed to use Internet Explorer embedded in their Windows AOL software like they have done for years. AOL made this request to keep all their options open for the future. This does not mean AOL is no longer interested in the Mozilla effort or their purchase of Netscape Inc. They in fact have increased funding to these efforts recently. AOL could embed Mozilla at anytime in any of their products like their AOL 8.0 Windows software. They already do this in their CompuServe ISP product for Windows and the Mac OS X version of AOL 8.0.

http://devedge.netscape.com/central/gecko/

There is no reason to educate Microsoft that this is their ultimate aim though. Getting a nice big fat check from M$, using some of that money to help their Netscape/Mozilla division and keeping Microsoft scratching their head at the same time is very smart and noble of AOL. We are thankful that the comments of support coming from Genesi are nicer and more supportive than the ones coming from Fleecy Moss that state Amiga Inc. will in no shape or form support the AmiZilla effort because it also represents a port of Mozilla to MorphOS. Bill Buck does not have such a narrow or limited view of the project and he would like to see it on MorphOS and Amiga OS. We feel as always that mainstream/standard/popular software like Netscape being available for MorphOS and Amiga OS will help Genesi and Amiga Inc. sell more systems to a wider audience of customers.

[Pyromania]

Here is a list of vendors that already embed Mozilla in their products. This shows how important the AmiZilla effort is for Amiga/MorphOS users. Even the failing great company SGI considers Mozilla vital and include it with thier OS Irix.

http://www.mozilla.org/university/HOF.html

[DaveP]

@Wayne

I do not EVER recall seeing BBRV saying that the G3 would be faster than the G4.

Oh he definately said it ( G3 on ArticiaS will be faster than G4 on ArticiaS ), in an attempt to justify why Genesi would not be producing G4 based cards for the Pegasos1 ( this has since changed ) after the relationship with Mai was terminated.

There were also remarks in the same paragraph that were clearly designed to "spoil" the A1XE market. Alls fair in marketing they say.

If I get idle time today, Ill go look for you.

Oh and given I now know how April works I quite understand why he made that claim.

[Johan Samuelsson]

Hmmm... A question to you Bill, I hope you can answer it.

... everybody keeps asking 'will AmigaOS 4.0 be available for the Pegasos?' But, what about the other way around? I Have an AmigaOne, but no OS to run on it, that suits me. Will MorphOS 1.4 be available for AmigaOne? I am sure that just about every AmigaOne owner would be very intrested in running it, I would even spend some bucks for it!

[Warface]

Thanks for the interview :-) I wonder who will be the next? :-)

[fjudde]

@Wayne

he NEVER said that "a G3 is faster than a G4" (which is what most claim was said).

No, but he said:

Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia.

http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&cpp=1&nid=222&page=32

Strange how fast you forget somethings, but never forget other things. Guess it has to do with what you like and dislike. ;-)