Amiga Auction List Posted

[System]

This is their last chance to knock off Amiga and they know it

Zoltan,

Looks like you're the one whose fallen prey to conspiracy thought.  Amiga Inc is dying of self-inflicted wounds and most people here at least admit it.

[Tigger]

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I was just pointing out that people are overreacting in their responses and are generally insulting the wrong people. It's just like someone who is mad at a company for faulty products and start shouting at the support-guy or helpdesk-employee.
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No, I place the blame squarely on Bill McEwen and Fleecy "I like Sheep" Moss.   I am pretty vocal about that, the lies just I have been present for have hurt the company terribly, and because of that the Amiga Community as a whole.

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And I'm not even going to respond to that 'dream built on lies'-remark, because it's too obvious that's generally not the thing people dream about. Not even those 'Evil' Amiga guys.
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Bills dream was to do an IPO and become a Billionaire, he told about 30 of us that, at least 4 of which (myself included) post regularly on this board.   Instead he has bankrupted the company, himself and several of his employees, greed is one of the 7 deadly sins for a reason.
    -Tig

[Ohno]

Looks like you're the one whose fallen prey to conspiracy thought. Amiga Inc is dying of self-inflicted wounds and most people here at least admit it.

Yes, but they are getting some 'help' as all people on the SDA-lists have already witnessed.

[Ohno]

No, I place the blame squarely on Bill McEwen and Fleecy "I like Sheep" Moss. I am pretty vocal about that, the lies just I have been present for have hurt the company terribly, and because of that the Amiga Community as a whole.

I personally don't see Fleecy as being responsible, but I can live with/understand your way of thinking. And there is no other way of seeing it than Bill McEwen being responsible in the end, simply by being the CEO.

But I wasn't just talking about you. I see people like Ray, Fleecy and several Amiga-Anywhere developers also being attacked for supporting the company that did all these 'nasty' things.

If that's the way to go you could just as well shoot each and every developer in the world, since they most likely all 'supported' a platform/OS from a company that lied, stole or acted immorally in one way or another at some point in time.

[System]

Yes, but they are getting some 'help' as all people on the SDA-lists have already witnessed.

I'm sorry.  "You can't know the truth because you're not on some restricted list" is a bullshit excuse.  Having to create secretive restrictive lists just to promote your own propoganda and call it truth is bullshit.  

Speaking as a former Amiga Inc cheerleader and former member of the "Amiga Community Crisis Management (ACCM)" list -- why would they need a crisis management list if there weren't a problem with Amiga Inc and that was almost two years ago? -- I can tell you that there are an awful lot of things being said on those lists which are simply not true, and they don't even match the demonstratable facts....  At this point, believing anything they say is a matter of personal choice based on your preference to do so, not on any known or demonstratable facts.

Amiga Inc cannot say "The Amiga community is very important to us" then immediately turn and say "we will not tell you anything unless you're on our uber-secret list of cheerleader friends because it's none of your business".  It just doesn't work that way.

[Ohno]

I'm sorry. "You can't know the truth because you're not on some restricted list" is a bullshit excuse. Having to create secretive restrictive lists just to promote your own propoganda and call it truth is bullshit.

Ok. You're telling Zoltan he's wrong about his conspiracy theory based on your opinion. I'm saying I do not disagree with you completely but that there is also some truth to what Zoltan is saying and that it is based on stuff we've seen on - indeed- a secret list. So you are basing something on your personal opinion and I'm basing stuff on things you can't see. Seems equally 'trustable' to me. It's about just as good as your 'I've got real proof and I'll show it to everyone at some point in the future on some show that's yet to come, untill then you'll have to take my word for it because I really have the proof in my hands here, honest!'.

Thing is I do not agree with blaming everything on a conspiracy, just like you.
Amiga Inc. has a responsibility as well. But I've also seen at least some evidence of external involvement, just like Zoltan.

I can tell you that there are an awful lot of things being said on those lists which are simply not true

Yeah.. there's a lot of that going around everywhere these days it seems. But don't worry, this was quite convincing  :-P

[Tigger]

I personally don't see Fleecy as being responsible, but I can live with/understand your way of thinking. And there is no other way of seeing it than Bill McEwen being responsible in the end, simply by being the CEO.

First of all, as the self admitted master planner and Chief Technology Officer of Amiga Inc, he should indeed be held responsible for the issues he caused, and there are alot of them.   In many ways, I believe Fleecy is more responsible for the problems at Amiga Inc then Bill himself.    The poor choices and constant restarts which should/could have been avoided if Fleecy had a real grasp of the technology he wanted to use burned lots of money, and created the 0 income, 0 asset company that currently exists.

But I wasn't just talking about you. I see people like Ray, Fleecy and several Amiga-Anywhere developers also being attacked for supporting the company that did all these 'nasty' things.

Ray has dug his own grave of late, and deserves to be thrown in it.   His constant double speak about being paid, about the lawsuits, about so many things with the auction have not made him any friends, and has cost him many of those he had.    If he doesnt want to comment on a situation thats fine, implying others are lying about a situation by sly comments, implying people that sue Amiga for back wages are disgruntled lazy workers is not position to take if he wanted to be thought of as an honest person in the current Amiga Inc mess.
    -Tig

[MarkTime]

My wife is going to kill me, but I placed an advanced internet bid on one of the computers.

I suggested they should do this, just cause Amiga fanatics like me simply cannot help themselves.

I do not think there are any secret world domination blueprints on them, just figure the 21" monitor is worth a little something, plus the geek appeal...but I will let you know, if such a document appears. hehe.

[bloodline]

You can buy their old stuff on the internet!?!?

Cool, now Amiga Inc. can buy it all back with the millions they have made with AmigaDE :-D

[gnarly]

Thing is though, who gives a flying f@#k about any of this?

So many of you are arguing your hearts out over what is at the end of the day a lovely, if flawed niche computer system.

I'm an AmigaOS lover just like the rest of you, but there isnt any point poiring your heart and soul into pointless debate like this.

In the nicest possible way, get over it :-)

[System]

@Gnarly,

Debate is what keeps some of us interested.

[gnarly]

@Gnarly,
Debate is what keeps some of us interested.

Thats fair enough, but I still cant see the point of pouring your whole life into it anymore.

Dont get me wrong, I still log on here every day, looking for the latest signs of life in the AmigaOS (be that OS4 screenshots, AmiZilla news, or whatever else), but its just not the same anymore. People keep on debating the same old crap over and over again.

Why can't we debate the relative merits of Reaction vs MUI/Zune/whatever without it always descending into a flamewar between cheerleaders and zealots over the relative merits of the companies and staff involved? Its become a frigging disaster area.

I don't want to discuss the companies or their staff.  I have my own views on the subject - I can see that things were done wrongly by *all* sides. In particular the marketing (coming from all sides) smacks of dodgy used car salesmen, but thats another story for another day.

Surely the only reason we come here at all is the Amiga hardware and its accompanying OS. And yet I've never yet seen a *reasoned* discussion about that and its competitors (namely MOS and AROS) that hasn't descended into a flameware or trollfest - feel free to point me to a thread if there is one - (bar the OpenAmiga one - which stood out somewhat).

Mind you, it hasn't really been the same for me since the demise of CU Amiga...

Oops, I seem to have ranted a bit there  :-)

[ruben]

its just not the same anymore. People keep on debating the same old crap over and over again.

Basically, that's because people don't have anything amazing to talk about in this Amiga-land. We all want desperately to go back to the exciting days of the Amiga500, but none of what is currently beeing developed shows any potential to bring that back.

Unless a major U-turn of events takes place, there's nothing really exciting or overwhelming to look forward to, which depresses/frustrates people and brings about these pointless discussions.

[HMetal]

@Tigger

Bill, most of the people that spout crap against me weren't my friends to begin with.  The only one of ANY of these people who have either an alternate perspective or contrary opinion, that I respect is Nate Downes.  Sure Nate has been somewhat imflammatory and has his own position to think about with Genesi but I still consider him a friend.

People are allowed to have opinions.  If their opinions run tangent to my own, that's fine.  Time will tell who knows what they're talking about or if there are other motives for their rhetoric.

As for me being paid, that's simply no one's business but mine and Amiga's.  If someone other than this pair wants to know, let them summon Amiga's records.  My finances are none of your business.

To the auction, I simply uttered one rather tongue-in-cheek comment, which I repeat AGAIN since you people can't get it through your thick skulls, "it is used equipment."  If you took something else home from that, that's YOUR problem, not mine.  Maybe you need to get a sense of humor to read my reply back then as it was meant to be read.  I have a sense of humor, if you don't like that, that's your problem, not mine.

As for my honesty..  If you don't believe what I say, you don't have to. In that case, you're the one with religious passion that's reading more into someone's comments than is written.

[HMetal]

As for the update that I just submitted as a new news item (that somehow got turned into a little note tacked onto the head post of this topic - funny and sad how that happens) :lol:

As you can see, we've had great success in getting the auctioneer to correct his mistaken preamble.

Now if only the trademark people would get their rumps in gear and post our updated trademark status. 8^P

[System]

It should be pointed out that while the auction company yielded to apparently "dozens" of complaints from the members of this web site by saying "Amiga Inc is not going out of business", a quick call to their offices further yielded that "we are only the auctioneer responsible for the auction of their foreclosed business assets, we have no real information as to their actual business status.".  

The person I spoke with also continued "Please ask that the members of your site refrain from calling us repeatedly every few minutes when we add something to the auction".

Quite clearly, they've had enough of dealing with the Amiga community whereas this eviction and property seizure is concerned.   I can't say I blame them as from what I gather, some of the calls were less than friendly.

I mention this specifically to request that site members (of any site reading this), please lay off of the auction company.  They are not responsible for the current condition of Amiga Inc and they're only doing their jobs as auctioneers.  They have no agenda, and this is not their fault.