Amiga Inc auctioning off office and computers?

[IonDeluxe]

I remember alot of people jumping for joy when commodore went under.....and look where that brought us.

These kinds of threads do nothing but harm the comunity.More people get turned away from amiga, which means less sale for eyetech and Genesi(even if genesi do not have a product for sale at this time) and less sales for hyperion which in turn leads to less developers, less applications.

I am personally disgusted by the lot of it, both Genesi and Amiga Inc.Both of these parties have provided poor examples of integrity and behaviour, and certain behaviors in both camps do nothing but tarnish the already rusty image that the amiga community provides to the rest of the world.The rest of the world that we need to bring amiga back from the edge of the grave.

We can see the truth of this by Bodie rethinking his decision to buy amiga.What is a someone newly interested in the amiga going to think?

[amigamad]

The way i see they got eyetech to do the amigaone boards and hyperion to do os4  so what has amiga got other than amiga anywhere and amiga de and a bunch of failed contracts ie nokias setop box the sendo smartphone, apart from microshaft they cant have any money coming in they have nothing else.

so they must be screwed  :-?  :-o

[bhoggett]

@Tarhgan

My opinion as a person: I hope that McEwen is gone, and that he has to work for Chris Aldi, Juurgen Haage, Felix, or any of the guys he's screwed-over in the past. I want him to eat out of the same plate a lot of developers had to eat out of.

I wouldn't shed any tears of sympathy for Mr. Haage, that's for sure. While the popular perception seems to be that Amiga Inc treated H&P very badly, the evidence tends to suggest that throughout Amiga Inc's existence H&P have sold Amiga Inc IP in several of their products (OS 3.5, OS 3.9, Amiga Dev CD 2.1, StormC, AmigaOS XL), and not a single cent of this ever made its way back into the Amiga Inc coffers. If anyone got screwed, it sure as heck wasn't Haage.

[carls]

@cockney_dave

I'm currently working for an Internet consulting company which is not doing well at all (the difference here is that the employees who's left are getting paid, and that the financial state is official). The company is not broke yet, maybe it's never going be, but we're currently selling perfectly good furniture and computers which are just a couple of years old. This is stuff left over from people who's gotten laid off. What I'm saying is that no company with a healthy economy would dream of selling three year old stuff.

And if Amiga Inc. is just refurbishing, how come they're selling computers and "dotcom servers" as well? The technology is moving fast, but a server or office computer doesn't just get old and unusable after three years.

[elendil]

Redrumloa:

I am too stupid to figure out that threaded thingie, so I am usually simply replying to the bottom post, no matter what I am replying too. It was not a reply to waynes post.

Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.

[Paul_Gadd]

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[carls]

I don't get this Mr Sheen thing... Someone care to explaing?

[greenboy]

I think you are acting (or are you indeed acting?) very young and spoiled, gloating as you are about the demise of an amiga company and decent (I believe they are) human beings.

You mean decent human beings like "tire mechanics"...?  Or don't they figure into the equation? If you will not pay people up to the date of termination, how decent are you, REALLY?

And really, nobody owes it to anyone else to support a poorly-run business like a charity just because they have put up a few posters of themselves in wheelchairs from time to time under the guise of Executive Updates or pleas for support through the rough times in a very expensive exclusive newsletter - a newsletter that closes off information in a community that is supposedly starved for actual information.

If anything sounds like gloating here, it is probably being heard by ears that have tuned themselves mainly to only a certain range of voices. Meanwhile, other people have recognized the spin coming out of the company orifices time and time again, and have no longer enjoyed the attendant sensation of feeling it coming up behind them. Through pain and frustration and exasperation perhaps these are the ones who have learned not to trust those issuances.

What you are hearing is NOT gloating: it is however the sound of people who have been wronged and mislead, and perhaps wish to be vindicated for the lumps they had to take when attempting to be frank about what they have seen and experienced.

But I realize also that some supporters of Amiga Inc hope they will get some stock options or something. Or they have programmed for DE (insert current name?) and wish to see some returns on that investment. Others believe it might impact OS4's future.

Others feel their friends matter more than someone else's friends. So if push comes to shove let someone else's friends be the ones to be victimized. Yes, there will continue to be justifications available to convince oneself that some people are nice and deserve to be paid, while others are NOT nice and deserve to be shafted.

But those justifications become less powerful as the evidence becomes more obtainable.

[alx]

I don't get this Mr Sheen thing... Someone care to explaing?

Wipes away your worries and financial problems?

Or perhaps A inc used inferior cleaning products which left "streaks and sticky residue" on the furniture they're selling?

[Alkemyst]

Poster: IonDeluxe Date: 2003/5/16 19:36:55

I remember alot of people jumping for joy when commodore went under.....and look where that brought us.

These kinds of threads do nothing but harm the comunity.More people get turned away from amiga, which means less sale for eyetech and Genesi(even if genesi do not have a product for sale at this time) and less sales for hyperion which in turn leads to less developers, less applications.

I am personally disgusted by the lot of it, both Genesi and Amiga Inc.Both of these parties have provided poor examples of integrity and behaviour, and certain behaviors in both camps do nothing but tarnish the already rusty image that the amiga community provides to the rest of the world.The rest of the world that we need to bring amiga back from the edge of the grave.

We can see the truth of this by Bodie rethinking his decision to buy amiga.What is a someone newly interested in the amiga going to think?

Yep lucky that ppl did not pick on the original amiga ppl when they were strapped for cash before CBM came in, as then there would of been no amiga at all.

No one here is doing anything to make things better,its just making us look stupid bunch of back stabbing gits to the world as soon as things dont go as we like.

We know amiga.inc is cash strapped. The rest of the world knows as well.

You should not pick on someone for being skint, ether you help them out or you keep out of it, as kicking them when their down has never helped anyone ever as all your doing as adding to the problem.

Thats why i stay Quiet on the Subject most of the time.

[Waccoon]

Dot com servers, pc's, printers & late model furniture

Hmm...  Didn't someone mention something about selling computer equipment second-hand and getting pennies for it?  Even an ancient computer makes a good server... if you run Linux.  

Furnature does not just become obsolete.  In fact, the aucion includes printers.  Since when do printers become obsolete?  I use dot matrix printers at work, for crying out loud.  They serve their purpose!

I feel truly sorry for everyone who's waiting for refunds, computers, AOS4 etc.

True.  I feel no sympathy for those who bought coupons, however.  Serves you all right.

I got seriously burned with the SDK.  At the time I figured paying for it was an acceptable risk, because it was a product, not a promise.  The SDK turned out to be mostly Amiga-branded Java apps, which didn't even have much VP in it, never mind DE.  That was the end of my faith in Amiga Inc.

Now, I'm just around because of the curiosity factor.

Paul Gadd:  Good, i hope this means those bastards are going bust once and for all, without scum like that maybe the Amiga can progress.

Well, it can't get any worse.  With OS4 in the hands of Hyperion, it doesn't look like anything new will come out from a post-Amiga Inc. company.  You might as well build a whole new computer, and then, it's "not Amiga".

Really, I had no interest in Amiga Inc. revamping the 68K systems.  PC hardware has moved on, and there are hundreds of companies that can make effecient hardware better than anything Commodore could dream of doing.  Volume tends to weed out the weak like that.

The Amiga and its hardware principles died with Commodore.  I wanted a brand new machine that works *LIKE* the Amiga, but running on common PC hardware.  Since I'm a big fan of interpreted programming languages, VP really got my attention.  But then, there was endless silence.

ALX:  But with things as they stand it's still cause for concern - I wonder what A inc say

All companies are built on reputation.  You wouldn't buy a BMW and expect Kia quality.  Amiga has no reputation as a trustworthy company; they are unprofessional and ignorant.  I could care less what they say.

zee4:  I personally disagree- someday you'll have to move to the big pond, even if we have to drag you kicking and screaming for "AAA, SuperDuper-Agnus, 16-bit Paula, Hombre...mommmmie save me from reality!"

PC hardware, anyone?  Oh, that's right.  Piracy is a problem.  Well, we should just make proprietary hardware for the hell of it.

A lot of good that did, and Amiga still says they're a software company!

Coder:  Well, I got info from Fleecy wich tells different. And I believe him.

Why don't you give Fleecy a good Q&A session?  Why is everything an insider's club?  NDA's are popular practice these days, but you can't tell me a lack of Amiga.com website updates is due to NDAs.  Anyone looking for investors (or customers), is not going to do the stuff Amiga Inc. is doing.

ne_one:  It's a lot easier to call the shots when you're sitting from the sidelines.

Bad PR shoos away investors and drives customers to other companies.  Amiga has probably the worst PR I've seen in a while.  What people see from the sidelines *IS* important.

The purpose of the sidelines is to watch the show.  There's just not that much to watch.

Carls:  The technology is moving fast, but a server or office computer doesn't just get old and unusable after three years.

Yup.  A lot of my friends turn 5+ year old computers into Linux boxes and use them for servers.  There's a role for everything.

A three year old server is junk, but people are *perfectly* willing to use an AmigaOne based on PC standards several years old -- and pay top dollar for it, right?

Greenboy:  You mean decent human beings like "tire mechanics"...? Or don't they figure into the equation? If you will not pay people up to the date of termination, how decent are you, REALLY?

You know, I wonder if Bill is going to be in the poor house along with his employees.

[Waccoon]

We know amiga.inc is cash strapped. The rest of the world knows as well.

You should not pick on someone for being skint, ether you help them out or you keep out of it, as kicking them when their down has never helped anyone ever as all your doing as adding to the problem.

Aw, hell!  Let's all preorder products from upstart companies!  Once people realize Amigans are all suckers, investors should dive right in!

There's something called, "proof of concept", and that's how you earn funding for future projects.  If you can't get money because nobody is interested in your concept, then that's your fault.

No, I don't think all companies fail because they are morons.  Some people get lucky and others are not.  But selling coupons as a fundraiser is not the answer.

Suckers!

[Desmon]

@Paul_Gadd

The questions passed on to Moss are rigged (ie easy as hell ones), you must see that, 10 whole weeks of easy questions and those Q&A sessions still get praised.

I dunno about that. The only question I've posted (week 6, Amithlon situation) at least got asked.

Ok lets see 10 proper hard hitting questions to Moss as the mild crap is getting boring, that is fair?

That'd be fair, except they'd only get answered with the same old rhetoric and politcal bullsh!t.

Quite honestly, I think the PTBs at Amiga.inc wouldn't know if their collective arses wee pointing skywards. Their only hope of salvaging any respect from the kommunity would be to get 100% behind the products WE want and are willing to pay good money for, while forgetting such things as the AmigaNowhere crap.

 Cache Ya,
 Craig.

[Desmon]

@cockney_dave

The Amiga inc. website is up and running and the news page was last
updated yesterday.

Amiga inc. are autioning some furniture, so, maybe they're
refurbishing their offices?

When you read "auction, police seizure" it doesn't mean the company is auctioning off their own furniture.

Why do people insist on this scare mongering?

I think you're reading more into their posts than they wrote.

People are just seeking the truth.

It's obvious to me (in this case) that the company has had trouble paying their rent and have been locked out of their world headquarters. In lieu of the back rent, the landlord has had all the contents of the building seized and has put it up for auction in order to recoup his due payment.

Now why won't Amiga.inc just admit that? Everyone would be happy and the so-called scaremongering would stop.

 Cache Ya,
 Craig.

[Argo]

I liken it to the Bends...

[carls]

@alx
Thanks. I never was good at symbolic stuff. That's why I like Charles Bukowski so much :-)