Amiga Inc auctioning off office and computers?

[Warface]

Oh well. Hopefully this will be the last Amiga company with no products and only the name. I've watched them come and go since '94. Time to carve another notch.

They haven't gone bankrupt yet. We'll see. (What more damage can they make?)

Damn, as for the PPC OS split is one thing, but splitting the amiga.org community... That was a real ugly move.

[L8-X]

@Paul_Gadd

You really take the conpsiracy theory to new depths.

All the AW staff pick the questions not just MikeB. (I think thats what your trying to imply)

I can only pick from whats there and I pick questions about the HW and OS4, questions I would like answered personally.

Besides, how do you know what questions are asked, you never come to AW right?  ;-)

[Warface]

@L8-X:

Sorry, you are a good man, but many on amigaworld.net resembles to King Arnuf and his citizens from Monty Python's Eric the Viking: (sorry for the long quote)

KING ARNULF Now, I know what some  of  you  must be thinking... the day has
come.... we're all going  down,  etc.  etc.  But let's get away
from the fantasy and look at the FACTS.
FACT ONE - The threat of  total  destruction has kept the peace
for one thousand years.
FACT TWO - The chances of  it  failing now are therefore one in
three hundred and sixty-five thousand.
FACT THREE...

By this time the  water  is  up  to  people's  knees,  and several have
crowded onto the lower steps to avoid getting wet.

KING ARNULF FACT THREE - Our  safety  regulations  are the most rigorous in
the world. We are all  nice  to  each  other, we never rub each
other up the wrong way or contradict each other, do we?
CROWD    No.

Rumble. The buildings sink and masonry falls.

CITIZEN We... er... do seem to  be  going down quite fast, Your Majesty
      - not trying to contradict you, course.
KING ARNULF No, of  course  you're  not,  citizen.  But  let's stick to the
facts. There has  NEVER  been  a  safer,  more  certain  way of
keeping the  peace.  So  whatever's  happening,  you  can  rest
assured, Hy-Brasil is NOT sinking. Repeat, NOT sinking.

ANOTHER CITIZEN May I just make a  point  in support of what King Arnulf's just
said?
KING ARNULF We'd be delighted - wouldn't we?
CITIZENS Yes, we'd certainly like  to  hear  what  one  of us has got to
say...

ERIK What are you all doing?
CITIZEN AT THE BACK (cheerfully) It's all right. It's not happening.
ERIK (urgently) The place is sinking!
CITIZEN AT THE BACK Yes... I thought  it  was  too, but the King's just pointed
out that it can't be.
CITIZEN (still speaking in support of  the  King) ...and, of course, we mustn't
forget King Arnulf's EXCELLENT eye for flower-arranging.

[Paul_Gadd]

if fleecy chooses not to answer it, it will
say "No comment" below. How does that make the
question in itself "rigged"?

The questions passed on to Moss are rigged (ie easy as hell ones), you must see that, 10 whole weeks of easy questions and those Q&A sessions still get praised.

Ok lets see 10 proper hard hitting questions to Moss as the mild crap is getting boring, that is fair?

[SlimJim]

@Paul_Gadd
 
So obviously Tigger doesn't ask tough enough questions for
your taste. Or are you deliberately avoiding the example of a
"tough question" I put forward?

-edit -

Bah, just forget it. It's off topic anyway.

.
SlimJim

[Paul_Gadd]

Tiggers question is spot on (never said it was mild) and it is about time proper questions about the company is asked and i am glad you have put it forward.

Tough proper hard hitting questions is what the Q&A needs and your comment here 2003/5/16 9:20 says it all.

[System]

Gary already said on the mailing list that this is old stuff from the offices which they no longer use.

Hmmm.  Don't know how to feel about that.  Technically he's not lying but skating in a circle on thin ice isn't smart.

They no longer use it because they were locked out of their offices according to the court documents displayed by Rich Woods.  The material possessions were seized to pay for something like $40k in back rent.

A 3 year old corporation doesn't have surplus equipment yet guys.  There is no positive spin for this, so stop the bullshit and accept it.

[T_Bone]

"A 3 year old corporation doesn't have surplus equipment yet guys. There is no positive spin for this, so stop the bullshit and accept it."

Oh man, the damage controll spin that they're pulling is hilarious!

[Indoro]

They were thrown out of their offices around AmiWest last year (July/Aug 2002) for non-payment. This auction has been expected for months now.

[System]

So obviously Tigger doesn't ask tough enough questions for

Personally, I don't care what questions people ask "Fleecy".  He will not directly answer the question, nor has he directly answered (yes or no) a lot of questions.  He'll have some long, drawn out explanation -- like Gary who says that "the equipment being auctions is no longer being used" -- while carefully leaving out any similance of facts (in the case of the auction, it's not being used because they were evicted and the equipment seized, but God save the facts).

When he does, I will be certain to point out the inaccuracies of his statement.

As a matter of fact, 10 weeks in a row now I've been able to see through the "Fleecies" to the real answers.  I guess someone should actually start posting the translations of "Fleecies" to reality here.

[Billsey]

Wayne,

Not being able to recall all of my posts, if I owe you one, then you have it...here.

That being said, and recalling a previous post on related subjects, whatever else happens I will stand by my friends. That includes those at Amiga, Inc.

[elendil]

Why are you all celebrating?

I suppose the chance of this (and the implied AI is bankrupt) being true is very high, but how is that reason for joy?


I think you are acting (or are you indeed acting?) very young and spoiled, gloating as you are about the demise of an amiga company and decent (I believe they are) human beings.
I think you are acting incredibly immature, and I probably am too as I could not bring myself not to the the reply-button on this thread (though, in all modesty, I believe I am usually quite good at that).


Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.

[JoannaK]

Elendil: Sometimes seeing the truth has funny effects to humans.  I think this is one of those moments.

To me it's nothing..  ... just more or less logical part of what's been obvious long time ago.

[zee4]

@elendil,

Why are you all celebrating?

There's a saying about dying on you feet or living on your knees. I suspect a lot of those posters who are celebrating the auction because they think it means they're safe again.

In Canada there's a similar story: the Avro Arrow. Basically it was a jet interceptor designed around 1953-57 that (would) have beat just about anything flying till probably the early 1970s. The thing is, it was cancelled before it went into production and the final prototype never flew (arrowheads: sorry if I've left a lot of details out).

I see this as a metaphor for the Amiga community: if Amiga fails, they can always talk about how good it was, how far ahead of everything it was- and they'll be no-one using Amigas to point out when they're wrong!

Or maybe another example from The Simpsons: Lisa is given a choice at the end of one episode to either move up to grade 3 and be a small fish in a big pond or stay in grade 2 (as a "big fish in a small pond") where she's smarter than most of her classmates. She yells: "Big fish, big fish!". Some Amiga owners are like that- they like the Amiga market because it's so claustrophobic, if it got bigger they'd feel they'd be drowned out. If this auction is anything to worry about, then, congratulations, you're spot in the small pond is safe. Just watch out for those C64 users- who knows maybe they'll port UAE to the C64 one day

I personally disagree- someday you'll have to move to the big pond, even if we have to drag you kicking and screaming for "AAA, SuperDuper-Agnus, 16-bit Paula, Hombre...mommmmie save me from reality!"

Zoltan
(who spends too much time on amiga boards)

[redrumloa]

Poster: elendil Date: 2003/5/16 10:12:36

Why are you all celebrating?

I suppose the chance of this (and the implied AI is bankrupt) being true is very high, but how is that reason for joy?


I think you are acting (or are you indeed acting?) very young and spoiled, gloating as you are about the demise of an amiga company and decent (I believe they are) human beings.
I think you are acting incredibly immature, and I probably am too as I could not bring myself not to the the reply-button on this thread (though, in all modesty, I believe I am usually quite good at that).


Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.

Is this a joke? Where were you when Amiga Inc was calling Wayne a liar both directly through employees and by proxy through it's inner circle fanatics? I didn't see you defending poor Wayne from baseless attacks! Now the shoe is on the other foot and FACTS are coming to light and you blame Wayne? :-o

-edit- I saw in the threaded view this was a response to Wayne.

[JimS]

I wonder if there's anything important to the Amiga - documentation, notes, source code, or whatever in those offices that could be lost....