Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4

[Jose]

"Please. For the love of all that is holy. Show me EXACTLY where I said this?..."
"For God's sake people, please read what is posted before replying. This makes 6 times I've had to say the same thing in 6 different verbages."

LOL!
Ok Seriously, I'm glad that you say what you have to say, independently of them.
I've allways doubted A.Inc. and for various times asked  them to clarify their intentions with regard to AOS ( in forums, even mailed them two or three time), wich is the reason the community would continue to support them. Now that they  seem to have seen  that, they pay more attention to it.
But if they turn AOS to a layer to support their own agenda they can take a flying hyke.
I try to maintain optimism and think that if they want us to support them with DE, they'll have the dignity to give what we want in return (AOS), mostly since it's not even their work.
By they way I have questions more or less regarding this(what will OS5 be, if it will it lose it's character when it becomes a server OS, like I saw on an OlafBarthel interview etc.) waiting to be answered and I think they'll be asked sooner or later. If they are, it could be  proof that Aw is not so biased as people say.

[Kermito]

Please don't call it "flames" :flame:

the new fashion is "Friendly Fire"  :destroy:

[AmigaHeretic]

Seriously. Read all the prepared questions, read all the evasions, vague answers, and 1/2 truths given by Fleecy over the last 4 weeks and tell me it actually has a purpose.

@wayne

  In regards to the "prepared questions"...I feel like I, like many others, have no "hidden agenda".  I'm a nobody in Amiga land...I pretty much don't know anybody else in the Amiga Community and I am a lonely Amiga user her in Eugene, OR, USA.  I'm guessing no one here knows me or has heard of me aside from a few posts here.

   Anyway, my point is that I asked a question when this thing was first announced.  I basically asked if they had thought about making AmigaDE available through web browsers similar to the way Flash or Java work.  I thought that this would be cool if you could play DE games like people currently play Flash games or that you could write an entire web site in C or VP assembly or such.  To my surprise my question did show up in the third round of questions.  I thought Fleecy gave a pretty straight forward answer.  That answer was no.  I don't feel like he was "beating around the bush" or trying to talk his way out of an answer.  

I'd just like to know what proof you have to substantiate your claim of "prepared questions".  

You also said:

This is nothing more than marketing, and trying to satisfy those of you who want to hear from them even though they have absolutely nothing to say.

I didn't get the answer I wanted, but quite the opposite.   So how do you substantiate that claim?

I'd also like to add that I feel that most of the stuff that gets posted as news these days (there is so little real news) is a bunch of fluff that shouldn't be considered news.  Either that or it is just "free advertising" someone or another is after.

AmigaGuy

[stychokiller]

If the date was removed from these repetitive Q&A
sessions were removed, would anyone be able to form any judgements about them?  This is what
most of the comments are saying about these Q&A
sessions.  I'm afraid I have to agree with them --
that these Q&A sessions are pure pablum.
Jim Steichen, author of AmigaTalk.

[HolgerB]

IMHO it is quite strange that "Color Amiga-backgrounds for mobile
phone" or a message about Mediator t-shirts are regarded as more
news-worthy than these Q&A sessions with fleecy.

Ok, it's your site and your decision, but I still do have the feeling
that it's just because of personal problems with the people behind
amigaworld.

Personally I like both sites and visit them at least on a daily
basis. There is really no reason or sense in fighting each other.

[ikir]

It is a news. And an interisting news.

Amiga comunity should be friendly.....

There is not war between Amiga site!!

[redrumloa]

That answer was no. I don't feel like he was "beating around the bush" or trying to talk his way out of an answer.

Well your answer was an easy answer, so it was picked.That's not an insult on you, just that much harder hitting questions, like their financial situation or why they ripped off customers were ignored.

I'd just like to know what proof you have to substantiate your claim of "prepared questions".

People send their questions to a biased inidividual who filters out the "unnaceptable" questions. This has been confirmed by the person doing the filtering so it isn't exactly news.

I didn't get the answer I wanted, but quite the opposite. So how do you substantiate that claim?

It's good you go the answer you wanted, but overall this is hardly news. The vast majority of people here already knew that and the other answers. I ask you this? What's next? 1 question every day so the free advertising is always on the main page? Trust me when I say I have seen concrete evidence that this is nothing more than a way to increase the traffic to a certain website. It's not conspiracy when you see hard facts, it becomes reality.

Either that or it is just "free advertising" someone or another is after.

Be more specific? An update to a shareware program? How often is that? That is news. A driver update for mediator hardware? How often is that? That is news. An interview with an Amiga celebrity on another webiste? A genuine one is a rarity and therefore is news. A weekly Q&A with Fleecy [color=FF0000]with only a link provided to the other site, and content not allowed to be reproduced here[/color] is NOT news, it's advertisement for that certain site and should be discussed in the forums, not as news.

[redrumloa]

There is not war between Amiga site!!

Nope there is not. AFAIK Wayne and DaveD get along just fine.

[bhoggett]

@redrumloa

.That's not an insult on you, just that much harder hitting questions, like their financial situation or why they ripped off customers were ignored.

Actually, the most significant question of all has still not been asked, despite the answer to it affecting the significance of all 40 other answers so far.

That question is this:

[color=FF0000]"Is Fleecy answering in his capacity as Amiga Inc. CTO, in which case Amiga Inc. are bound by his statements and promises, or is he talking as Fleecy Moss, private individual and Amiga user, in which case his answers are little more than his personal opinion?"[/color]

The "news" item seems to imply the former, but I don't think Ikir has any actual proof to back that up.

A weekly Q&A with Fleecy with only a link provided to the other site, and content not allowed to be reproduced here is NOT news, it's advertisement for that certain site and should be discussed in the forums, not as news.

...and that is precisely the point I was making with the first comment to this thread. There are two ways in which this could have been presented:

(1) A short synopsys of the newsworthy statements in Fleecy's answers, posted here as NEWS with a link to the full thing on AmigaWorld as a reference.

(2) A statement that news has been posted somewhere else and a link that people must follow to find out what that news might be.

Case (1) is the proper way to post news, while case (2) is just an abuse of the service for advertising purposes. In the case of AmigaWorld supporters, they have been doing (2) for four weeks now, here and on other Amiga forums. Not a single person has bothered to go for case (1) instead. This is not a coincidence.

I come to Amiga.org to read my Amiga related news. If I wanted to read it at AmigaWorld I would go there. It therefore follows that I do not come to Amiga.org expecting to find nothing more than links to other sites with the promise that there is news there if I follow them.

I keep seeing people say that Fleecy's answers are newsworthy. I wouldn't know, as I don't bother with anything Amiga Inc. say any more, unless they actually deliver product first. However, if there is news in Fleecy's answers, can somebody please say what it is?

[Paul_Gadd]

@bhoggett

What do you expect when Fleecy is treated like some sort of hero of the hour than a person who works at a shambles of a company.

You might aswell ask Fleecy what is his favorite colour or what music he likes.

[zee4]

@amigaguy:

You said it well- a lot of the stuff posted as "news" isn't.

I've gone though through the questions and answers the last 3 weeks- guess what? The answers are reasonable, and I don't think there is much fluff there, unless that's what you're hoping to find.

As far as prepared questions, there must be some picking of questions, otherwise Fleecy would be answering 20 like "Amiga sucks, you suck, why don't you release AAA?" or "Why are you beating up on MorphOS?, BTW: MorphOS rules, you suck!", etc.

Some fokes just have a bigger chip on their sholder

Zoltan

[zee4]

Please don't call it "flames", the new fashion is "Friendly Fire"

Ouch! I know what you mean, I'm starting to think that's the Iraqi's overall strategy.

True fact: in Gulf War I, there where more "friendly fire" deaths than those caused by the enemy. Maybe  we should pull the troops out and leave it to the smart weapons next time

[magnetic]

I feel your pain *Wayne. I'm sorry that people are conspiring against this site. It was one of the first and best.. It is very professional looking and has good content.
 The Fleecy Questions are an interesting read for news junkies like me but are very surface and fluffy. Whats with OS 5 Questions? OS5? What the @#%@ about OS4. that was pure foolishness. Hyperion should have a working build on Cyberstorm by now - or not.. I hope they post screenshots and send the Amiga internet community crazy! I like Hyperion alot. Genesi too. Ainc.. well.......................thats another story for another time.
What about Amiga.org do 10 questions with BILL BUCK! That would be great!
LOL!

[Hondo]

Holy moly......some of you guys are whining like small children about anything Ainc. does. Some of you don't even deserve to touch a new amiga. Why? because you're stuck in absolute negative oppinions, expectations, statements, etc.

You see I'm one of those guys like many of you, who just didn't wanna see my beloved amiga die. I feared the day when the amiga was truely declared dead. I always wanted the amiga to survive, in some kinda form, be it the OS or the idea itself. I have been hanging in there for several years, and now for the first time in many years i actually belive in the revival of our beloved amiga feeling.

But why do i belive in this for the first time in many years...i'll tell you...

Because of A.inc. Because these guys seems to know what they are doing. For Gods sake people, try to remember how the situation was 5 years ago? - can you remember? - personally i belived that the amiga were going to die, if somebody didn't do something.

Amiga Inc. came in from the cold and saved my beloved amiga from the horrible death it was steering at. They gave me a new vision. A new path for the amiga. A new dream to belive in, and for that alone I would like to thank them.

Now did they fulfill my dream......yes actually they did. They started under some of the worst conditions a computer company could imagine. A platform declared dead by nearly everyone in the buisness. Now see if you can do it better than them. I doubt it.

Despite these hard conditions, they took the amiga seriously, and started out by securing the amiga, by letting other company's get involved. This is in my eyes one of the most brilliant moves they ever made.

No matter what happens to Amiga. Inc. the OS will survive. The hardware will be built. Brilliant stuff which gives me a feeling of joy in my stomach.

What else did they do?

They came up with this path, vision, dream, or whatever called Amiga DE, Amiverse, AmigaOS4,4.2,4.5,5.0. They suddenly talked about all sorts of devices, and migration paths for AA/OS4-5. They made a new PPC conversion of the worlds best OS a possibility. And they are nearly there, with extensive features no one were thinking about when the first PPC idea were launched.

I'm extremely grateful that some great guys have bought the amiga rights and are trying to give it somekinda way back into the limelight. It's sad that some of you can't see that.

In my oppinion they are doing marvelous stuff for the amiga, which were declared dead by many people not so long ago. You seem to forget that fact sometimes.

I know it's been very frustrating with all the waiting and all the bullshit hype coming from them, but please guys....they are just some dudes fighting for their lifes. Fighting for the survival of the amiga and the complete spirit the comes along with it. And they are good at that. Nearly too good sometimes.

But none of all this marketing stuff can't destroy my mood, because I'm about to see AmigaOS rise from the grave in a new fashion I could only dream about 5-8 years ago. For that I'm completely thankfull.

I'm even going to run this reincarnation of my all time favorite OS, on PPC hardware, which again gives me possibilities of new software, games, etc for my new Amiga.

What more can a man ask for in my position. Nothing!. Amiga Inc. are doing just fine. I love those guys for hanging in there, and delivering new hope for my starved Amiga soul.

I love their ideas about Amiverse, OS5, Amiga Anywhere, etc. And i pray that they will succed with all of it. Can't wait to see OS4 - and all other amiga things to come.

Please guys...remember where you came from, and start smiling at the fact that you are about to see AmigaOS being reborn into the future. Not to forget all other things amiga also....yihaa!!


Thanks. Hondo_DK

[System]

Ummmm. Hondo?

Well thought if not emotional post, but you do realize the fact that Amiga Inc has absolutely zero to do with either AmigaOS or the AmigaOne, right?  

Amiga Inc hasn't "done" anything, except *possibly* writing a few extensions for Tao's Intent product.  

That being said, I openly give credit for their bulldog-level longevity.  It's just too bad they don't realize how badly they've screwed up by intentionally and actively ignoring the community.

[Hondo]

@Wayne

As far as I know Amiga Inc. existed before Hyperion and Eyetech were working with present amiga stuff. That means Amiga Inc. must in some way be responsible for the brilliant idea of outsourcing the various parts.

And about the marketing hype....well....you can't say they're bad at it. And I don't belive that they have mistreated the community that much, besides too many words too early, and a delayed T-shirt.

But I understand you. As a webmaster of a community, you probably wanted more interaction directly with Amiga Inc.

I agree that they have made fools of them selves many times, but overall they look more and more like heroes to me.