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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2003, 04:23:05 PM »
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This isn't "news", it's free advertising.


I disagree. If a site called "Amiga.org" doesn't cover an interview (and yes, I know the questions are picked, but that's quite common in news now, unfortunately) with CTO of Amiga, well what is news then?

I like amiga.org for the fact that it covers a lot of news.  Heck, I've got limited interest in BeOS, MorphOS or any of the others, but if you don't want to read it, do what I do: skip it.

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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2003, 05:08:08 PM »
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disagree. If a site called "Amiga.org" doesn't cover an interview (and yes, I know the questions are picked, but that's quite common in news now, unfortunately) with CTO of Amiga, well what is news then?


If the CTO was doing an out-of-the-blue-moon Q&A session, it would be news.  Rather instead, it's a weekly occurance.  No longer news, it's instead something akin to a report.
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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2003, 05:18:05 PM »
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@dammy,

I agree. No more of them will be posted as news.


Whew! Now you said it, now I can agree:-) :-D
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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2003, 05:21:32 PM »
I think AmigaINC has finally ran out of money... All they have com up with lately is a bunch of lies.... Remember about all the new exciting apps/games for Amiga AA that mcewen announced at techTV?? Still not a single piece of new software has showed up on the AA site.. They didnt even manage to deliver those cupons/tshirts... Only one who managed to get something out was Eyetech"amigaone".. But it will sadly probably only run linux since os4 will never see the light of the day..  :-x

Im feed up with them. They managed to tear abart the little community that was left... Just look at the numbers for a.org... I bet the visitor numbers has nearly halfed just in the last year.
 

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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2003, 05:42:50 PM »
Poster: Wayne Date: 2003/4/7 11:21:41

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Then again, having heard substantial rumors lately of bank accounts closed and other interesting oddities, maybe they already have and news simply hasn't reached "Fleecy".


Hrm?  Boss, are you holding out on us?  

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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2003, 05:51:44 PM »
To save the arguments why not just cut and paste the full thing in the news item instead of allowing people to post just external links to sites.

9) T-shirt Man: Will i get my T-shirt soon?

Fleecy: When our strategy evolves in to a T-shirt making company we will purchase the book and CD combo "knitting made easy"  me and Bill will spends out holidays with our new hobby.
 

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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2003, 05:52:09 PM »
Typical sour grapes.

Why is it not news if it's not what you want to hear when you want to hear it?

What's really disappointing is this site is starting to become editorialized in the tradition of all the others. Take a look at the news postings over the last week. How many of these constituted 'news'? How many of them were product advertisements?

Whether you agree with the contents of these Q&A sessions or not they do promote dialog. If you don't want to read them or participate ignore them. Those of us that rely on a.org for news don't feel like routing through countless forum posts just because a few people have an axe to grind.
 

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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2003, 05:55:58 PM »
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Typical sour grapes.


Nothing about Amiga Inc is typical, unless you're comparing the management of the company to Commodore.

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Why is it not news if it's not what you want to hear when you want to hear it?


It isn't news, because it's non-substantial "fluff".  

There isn't a single new answer or "concept" in his interviews which hasn't already been discussed to death.  There are also no answer outside of "this is what we'd like to do if we were actually doing anything."

This is nothing more than marketing, and trying to satisfy those of you who want to hear from them even though they have absolutely nothing to say.  

The origins of the entire situation go back to a scheme between certain cheerleaders and Fleecy to divide this community into those who support Amiga Inc blindly and those who actually look at the world around them before giving out free "faith".

It's a very typical tactic to divide a community to discover who your absolute supporters are.  Once that's done, you can use the absolute supporters to champion your cause without bothering to pay or otherwise support them.  

(The concept comes from Sun Tsu's "Art of War" though I don't recall the actual passage.)

It is a demonstrated and proven fact that Amiga Inc wants to use the community to champion their cause and wave the Amiga flag FAR more than they want to support the community.
 

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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2003, 06:02:41 PM »
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9) T-shirt Man: Will i get my T-shirt soon?


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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2003, 06:04:05 PM »
Poster: ne_one Date: 2003/4/7 12:52:09

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What's really disappointing is this site is starting to become editorialized in the tradition of all the others. Take a look at the news postings over the last week. How many of these constituted 'news'? How many of them were product advertisements?


Do you understand the term, "abuse" and how it applies?

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Whether you agree with the contents of these Q&A sessions or not they do promote dialog. If you don't want to read them or participate ignore them. Those of us that rely on a.org for news don't feel like routing through countless forum posts just because a few people have an axe to grind.


If you want the truth, you have to read it on Amiga.com site.  Just remember, they have said over and over again not to believe anything until it's up on their site.  Or don't you believe them when they say that?

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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2003, 06:32:48 PM »
Hi guys. Allow me to say my opinion.

It's been said from the beginning that many questions could not have a "detailed answer".
I don't know if it's an atempt to kill A.org but I don't agree with the way the news were posted here. A.Org to me is an impartial place where there would be people with much varied opinions and still hang in here and talk without, well at least extreme flamewars, and many times even help each other with Amiga related problems. I hope it doesn't stop being that.
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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2003, 06:45:42 PM »
@Jose,

We have no interest in altering the way that news is posted here.  The "Fleecy Fluff weekly" isn't our idea of news however.  It's Fleecy making up very vague answers to very simple questions about things he has NO idea on, as screened by their head cheerleader, Mike Bouma.

As such, the only change I've recommended is that future "editions" of the "Fleecy Fluff weekly" be posted as forum topics, NOT news, because it isn't news.
 

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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2003, 06:48:33 PM »
@Wayne:

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It isn't news, because it's non-substantial "fluff".


It's up to your readers to decide that, don't you think so?

I agree that these "Q&A sessions" are just a boring and predictable attempt to attract people to AmigaWorld.net (or to "divide the.community").

So what? You don't have to censor anything to protect the popularity of your site, the quality of your site speaks for itself.

You accuse them of "splitting the community", be careful not to take part in splitting it. Rather demonstrate that you're not interested in playing silly games like that.

Where would you draw the line btw.? If somebody with some brain cells left interviews Ben Hermans or Alan Redhouse for AmigaWorld.net, would you still not report it?
 

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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2003, 07:06:44 PM »
@Wayne
 
The fact is that there are plenty of people visiting
amiga.org than are not visiting amigaworld. You always
said your goal was to support the community. A very
noble cause. Well, perhaps there is a part of this
community that wishes to be informed of these Q&A
sessions (or, indeed there might be people only visiting
amiga.org irregularily and never heard of them but really
would be interested if they knew) So what if it takes an extra 'click' to
read them? For the majority of us, those of us who really
ARE in those middle 60% you talked about some time ago,
it's a service to get informed of the stuff that might
actually be of some interest [to some].
 
It is your website. You do whatever you like with it. But
please be honest about it - You dislike these harmless
weekly links for two reasons: Your old problems with
fleecy and your hatred of Mike Bouma. You are entitled to
those opinions of course, but please consider also that
you have more power than the regular Amigan as the
webmaster of one of the largest Amiga newssites. Your
influence matters. But with power also come a burden of
accepted responsibity. And in this, your latest hardened
attitude, you are NOT helping the community in any way.
 
@all
Set up a Q&A session with someone more interesting than
fleecy if you are so disturbed by him answering ten
bloody questions a week. Or if you really want his input,
but feel amigaworld is only feeding him 'nice' questions,
set up a Q&A session of your own, right here on amiga.org
(or elsewhere). I would read it, most definately. It's my
hobby (note the non-deadly-serious implication) to
keep an eye on the small Amiga world, after all.
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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2003, 07:24:12 PM »
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Just posting a link to another site should be against the amiga.org rules dammit. It's blatant advertising.
Err, when *I* look at the news items, ALL of them look like some sort of advertising regardless of how much or how little content they contain.
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Re: Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4
« Reply #29 from previous page: April 07, 2003, 07:29:44 PM »
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@all
Set up a Q&A session with someone more interesting than
fleecy if you are so disturbed by him answering ten
bloody questions a week. Or if you really want his input,
but feel amigaworld is only feeding him 'nice' questions,
set up a Q&A session of your own, right here on amiga.org
(or elsewhere). I would read it, most definately. It's my
hobby (note the non-deadly-serious implication) to
keep an eye on the small Amiga world, after all.


How about interviewing Ron Jeremy? Who would want to miss THAT!