Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II

[Kay]

> The only thing the Amiga community does not need right now is people like you and Kay...

And exactly how am I damaging the community? Please explain.

Kay

[System]

No Kay, you're doing a fine job.

It's the axis of Evil that needs to leave, and that doesn't include you.

[Herewegoagain]

To repeat NO EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE TO INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THE ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION. Mai submitted a spec sheet on the Articia, and it fit the definition by the IBM rulebook.

So please, don't show this IBM "Ceritifcation" again, as it's not a ceritification at all, but just a product listing in a catelog stating that according to the whitepapers, it will work with a singular specific IBM microprocessor, the 750FX. In short, it says to the effect of buyer beware.

LOL.... You would love for us to forget about everything except Pegasos wouldn't you.  Funny to see MOS supporters squirm so much.  Yeah I know, everyone puts disclaimers in their stuff.  It's called a general purpose weasle clause.  Everyone has them to avoid possible lawsuits.  But let me just quote Lisa Su of IBM again:

"MAI Logic has successfully developed optimized supporting devices and reference designs for PowerPCTM microprocessor application platforms which have passed a rigorous PowerPCTM compatibility validation testing process by IBM Microelectronics labs,"said Lisa Su, Director of PowerPCTM and emerging products, IBM Microelectronics.

Now, READ THE PART WHERE IT SAYS "which have passed a rigorous PowerPCTM compatibility validation testing process by IBM Microelectronics labs"  WILL YOU NOW CALL HER A LIAR?

She says CLEARLY that it it has passed RIGOROUS tests BY IBM LABS!  I don't know how much clearer I could make that.  If you don't beleive it then that's your choice, but don't tell me about how you don't want to hear about this certification again.  I personally don't want to hear about MOS again, but I  don't have much choice do I?

[Turrican]

@Kay

And exactly how am I damaging the community? Please explain.

Kay

Sorry if my fireball took you also. By no means I have anything personal against you (or Mountain_Myst), I really thing you are ok.

I really don't like though reading posts in these forums from people that are just blind followers of one or the other and can't be happy with anything good happen's in the Amiga community because it is not from "THE_NAME"...
So I mentioned your name in my previus post, because I think you (and others I don't remember right now) are like that people to some degree.

Sorry about my phraze though, I didn't mean you are bad to the Amiga community. I don't really believe this as I think we all are good, it was just a not good "phraze"...
Sorry again about that.

[Herewegoagain]

And for anyone who wants to read about the "Ready for IBM Technology" overview it's here:

http://www.developer.ibm.com/welcome/microelectronics/rfit.html


And this is the Portfolio of the companies in alliance with IBM, which includes Mai Logic:

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/wired/alliances/rfit.html

[Kay]

> I really don't like though reading posts in these forums from people that are just blind
> followers of one or the other and can't be happy with anything good happen's in the Amiga
> community because it is not from "THE_NAME"... So I mentioned your name in my previus post,
> because I think you (and others I don't remember right now) are like that people to some
> degree.

I have explained why I have chosen Amiga over Pegasos many times already, so I won't repeat it. What I can say, however, is that while I recognize that I probably have some bias towards the name of the platform I've been supporting over the last decade, I have made every effort not to be blinded by it when making decisions.

> Sorry about my phraze though, I didn't mean you are bad to the Amiga community.

Apology accepted.

Kay :-)

[Hammer]

btw. Now it's a perfect chance for Genesi to include a rom socket for AOS4 enabler/dongle in the peg2. And perhaps a ROM switcher in the BIOS/bootROM.

Not quite answering the question. Such statements are only “hopeful” statements.   A “chance” is quite different to “we plan to do XYZ compatibility”

[downix]

btw. Now it's a perfect chance for Genesi to include a rom socket for AOS4 enabler/dongle in the peg2. And perhaps a ROM switcher in the BIOS/bootROM.

What BIOS?  The BootROM you're talking about is the very thing you're talking about changing.  The Teron and Pegasos use two different BootROM mechanisms.  Teron's use Hyperions new PPCBoot system while Pegasos uses the industry standard OpenFirmware approach.  To allow the Pegasos to use the A1 dongle you'd break the design, resulting in the cards you've carefully elected to install no longer operating in their prescribed manner.

You see, OpenFirmware is a similar concept to AutoConfig, with an OS-neutral basic configuration driver incorporated into the ROM on both the motherboard and the peripheral cards.  This provides a near complete HAL to allow the Operating Systems using it to streamline the hardware validation process and thereby improve system performance.  The OF tackles all of this, including a much improved plug n play system on par with that of the original Amiga.

PPCBoot, from what I've read, appears to utilize the x86 boot ROM's on most cards to provide a crude portmap of the card.  The OS still must take care of the I/O arbitration, which cards get what resources, mapping out the system call layout, etc.  While on the surface, being able to utilize the x86 card ROM's is good in that you don't require an OF compatable card, the end result is more overhead for any operating systems utilizing it.

Of course, you already knew this, right?

[System]

@Turrican

I really don't like though reading posts in these forums from people that are just blind followers of one or the other and can't be happy with anything good happen's in the Amiga community because it is not from "THE_NAME"...

Well, I don't hate you either.
But I do hate the fact that you call me a blind follower of AmigaOne/OS4, as if I didn't have a reason for choosing one or the other.
That is most rediculous.

I simply don't like the way Genesi and all thier people do buisness.
I don't like the way they are handeling thier OS.
I don't like the tactics being used to try and destroy Amiga Inc.
I love the way Amiga Inc. are wanting to handle thier system and software.
I love the dongle code.
I really believe that Hyperion can deliver a MUCH more pleasurable experience than Genesi, and the makers of MorhOS can.

I can go on and on and on, but I won't.

I have made my choice based upon what I see, and it's not proper for you to say that I blindly follow Amiga Inc. and Hyperion.

I can just as easily say that you blindly follow Genesi, but I'm not going to.
You must see something in Genesi that you like or you wouldn't be following them in thier goals.

I see nothing at all that I like about the company, but on the other hand I see a lot that I like about the other side.

It's called choice.
I've made my choice, and I didn't do it blindly.

Thank you.

and furthermore...
I personally think that it is immoral to clone another OS and use it for your own personal gain.

If you don't agree with me then fine.
But that doesn't make you right, neither does it make me right.

But I have my opinion and you have yours.
That's the way it should be, and that's the way it is.

[adavidm]

@Frondon

Hi, sorry for addressing this at you Frondon, but you seem to be one of the best informed of the MOS crowd......

Reading through bbrvs post, something occured to me, isn't this quote;

We need a bootable bundled distro and Mac-on-Linux.

a bit dangerous considering Apple's well known zeal for suing and c-and-d'ing ANYONE who messes with their IP / Licences / Secrets? Mac-On-Linux is technically legal on Apple hardware running Linux, but not on none Apple hardware (AOne has this problem too, so i'm not being biased)

@Mountain_Myst

 If you still don't belive that clean-room API clones can be made, what about Mono, the open source clone of Microsoft's .NET strategy? Or the cloned  implementation if the IBM-PC BIOS without which no-one but IBM would be making PC's (Ever wonder where the term PC-Clone came from?)

How can you say that Wine is not an emulator.

Heh, The fact that WINE is a recursive acronym for "WINE Is Not an Emulator" should give some people a clue. Maybe not though..........
Just my $0.02

[System]

Read the post above.

[adavidm]

Sorry, last time I refreshed the page you hadn't posted.

I wasn't having a go at you by the way, I was just citing some clear examples of where cloning was happening. Too many people round here say "its this way" or "its that way" without offering any reasons or evidence that it is so.

Cheers :pint:

[HMetal]

@AmiGR

As a CURRENT Amiga employee, I say to you that Amiga's employee relations are none of your business unless you are an Amiga employee or contractor. However, you are neither and you are now treading into my space, so mind your own business.  We employees didn't ask for your comments and we don't need them on this issue. :-x

If said employee wants to speak on their own behalf, that's his or her perogative.  But coming from anyone other than the individual, and NOT any third party, is just an exercise in FUD for the masses and a feeble attempt to defame Amiga in order to further a cause of gaining mindshare and opinion.

[AmiGR]

It's true. A truth is not FUD, no matter who spreads it.
Ok, my dear metalhead? BTW, tell McEwen to pay him.

Your last chance to get me and the majority of the
Amiga community was the inhouse OS4. Instead you
guys chose to play around with us without doing
anything. You're NOTHING for me, you're a ghost.
The only companies that might get us now are
Hyperion and Genesi.

You failed...

Btw... Why are you so angry? Money probs? ;-)

[System]

Would you stop already?

If you've got something to say, then spit it out man.
Otherwise, shut the crap up!

Amiga Inc. hasn't blown anything.
They are still the leaders as long as they are in buisness.

I haven't seen them say they are shutting down yet.

So please.
If you have a wild hair up your butt, then get it out!
SAY IT or SHUT UP!

[AmiGR]

I said everything I had to say. If you want to know
more about this case do some research.
Amiga Inc is not the leader anymore.
They are nothing. They produce nothing that interests
most Amiga users. Hyperion does, Genesi does,
*AMIGA* Inc doesn't... It's a shame... to be even called
"Amiga"