Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II

[Warrent]

@ Herewegoagain 

" I don't think this is as likely. The Terron boards are being marketed by Terrasoft for the Linux market, and Eyetech for the Linux and Amiga market. The Teron boards and the Articia have recieved IBM's "Ready for IBM Technology" approval. See link below.

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/wired/alliances/mai_logic.html"

Thanks for the site.  This is good news


"So I don't think the Teron series will be disappearing anytime soon. I do hope, however, that they are already working on the next revision using the newer Articia P bringing AGP4x and DDR among other things. "

Yes, that would be great to see a path to upgrade to it.

[downix]

@everyone

Before you consider "ready for IBM" good news, please read the legal definition of what the Ready for IBM ceritifcation is.

I might point out choice segments, such as:

The material presented here is based on information obtained from the software provider. No effort has been made to independently verify the accuracy of the information, including any information relating to the functions, quality, and performance of the provider's products or services as well as the availability date.

To repeat NO EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE TO INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THE ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION.  Mai submitted a spec sheet on the Articia, and it fit the definition by the IBM rulebook.  

So please, don't show this IBM "Ceritifcation" again, as it's not a ceritification at all, but just a product listing in a catelog stating that according to the whitepapers, it will work with a singular specific IBM microprocessor, the 750FX.  In short, it says to the effect of buyer beware.

[Rodney]

Ok.

Well don't you agree that in order to build an enviornment that acts exactly like another OS, you would actually have to look at origional code in order to understand how that OS works?

If this were not the case, how would you get your enviornment to run all the software that runs on that OS?

I dont think that is the case. First and most obvious you have to impliment the 68k emulator. Then you have to design a system to intercept calls that the OS would have taken care of.  Operating systems are normaly well documented so that people can program for it.

E.g say a peice of software uses a function fopen() ... it doesnt matter how that function is implemented, as long as when its re- implimented (in the OS emulation) it satisfys the original requirements such as paramaters and return values.

Then when that peice of software makes that call, the function is still executed be it not how the the old function works but still requires the same paramaters and still returns the same values based on its input as the original.

All that is requires is decent OS documentation! which i would think all OSes would have!!!

[Kay]

> That's alright, OS4, other then developer's, aren't running on Teron mobos either.

I said that the Pegasos "won't" run Amiga OS. I see this was a bit confusing to you. I'll clarify:
"won't" = "will not", "is not going to"
The Pegasos WON'T run AmigaOS. The AmigaOne certainly WILL. This means that if I buy an AmigaOne today, I know that I will at some point get AmigaOS for it. If I buy a Pegasos, I am probably stuck with MorphOS. Together with you, Buck and Amorel from ANN. Not a pleasant scenario.

Kay

[Bodie]

Kay said
I buy a Pegasos, I am probably stuck with MorphOS. Together with you, Buck and Amorel from ANN. Not a pleasant scenario.

 :lol:  :lol:

[quenthal]

Herewegoagain:

I am not sure what to make of this Aritica chip??? I hope that Eyetech has a better working relationhip with Mai Logic. I hope that they were/are able to reslove any problems with the Aritica chip. If not then maybe they will need to change thier plans??

I don't think this is as likely. The Terron boards are being marketed by Terrasoft for the Linux market, and Eyetech for the Linux and Amiga market. The Teron boards and the Articia have recieved IBM's "Ready for IBM Technology" approval.

Read this and consider how much this approval means:
http://www.vgr.com/mediator/Pressrelease9.txt :-?

[System]

@ Kay

Hi Ben, it is time for a showdown

It is almost unbelievable and very silly to see the way Buck acts as a little child instead like a CEO. After personally asking him for details regarding his "tests" he comes up with yet another wildwest cover up.

Surely his "tests" did not include Altivec optimised software. The Velocity Engine, as widely known is the main selling point of a G4 over a G3. And I sincerely would like to know how he can test hardware he does not have access to (latest G4 AmigaOne-XE or Teron)?

@ Billy the kid

Bucky boy, please stop wasting the time of the Amiga team, as you have been doing for quite some time now! They have a job to do, and you may watch from the sidelines until you release your "Pegasos2 with April6".

[Hammer]

An additional bonus for Buck is that with this statement, he presents the Pegasos as a fully comparable alternative to the AmigaOne.

Can Pegy  run "AmigaOS 4.0"?

[Senex]

@MikeB

Surely his "tests" did not include Altivec optimised software.

It's not about the G4 itself, it's about the - regarding Genesi (who otherwise hardly would want to exchange Peg1/Ap1-boards to Ap2-ones) - still buggy ArticiaS.

@Hammer

Can Pegy run "AmigaOS 4.0"?

Once OS4 nears completion and a third party (for example KDH, Vesalia, GGS, CC, etc.) applies for such an AI-licence and buys some Pegasos-boards, one should expect this, yes.

[System]

It's not about the G4 itself, it's about the - regarding Genesi (who otherwise hardly would want to exchange Peg1/Ap1-boards to Ap2-ones) - still buggy ArticiaS.

Well, history has told me that Bill mislead people with regard to earlier bugs. So I don't consider him a reliable source and would only trust information provided by independent 3rd parties, especially regarding "tests" with so few provided details.

[Senex]

So I don't consider him a reliable source and would only trust information provided by independent 3rd parties, espcially regarding "tests" with so few provided details.

That's why I think Bill & Raquel's initiative for a "showdown" on ANN is a good way for all of us to see ourselves if Genesi is right about it or not. We just need such an independent third party now.

[ksk]

Can Pegy run "AmigaOS 4.0"?

btw. Now it's a perfect chance for Genesi to include a rom socket for AOS4 enabler/dongle in the peg2. And perhaps a ROM switcher in the BIOS/bootROM.

(and at the same time the different northbridge makes it more difficult to pirate A1 AOS4 version to peg2 than to get it running on peg1)

[Paul_Gadd]

If it is hardware vs hardware then why challenge Hyperion? they should challenge Eyetech to a duel

[Herewegoagain]

Read this and consider how much this approval means:
http://www.vgr.com/mediator/Pressrelease9.txt

You are not comparing the same thing.  That only outlines the use of the trademark "PPC Logo".  It has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

[Turrican]

@Mountani_myst

Well, now is really not a good time for you to be preaching MorphOS.
As you can see, there hasn't been people on here in the last couple of days saying, "Haaaaa, MorphOS rulez you".

They must have been a little humbled by the recent news from Genesi.

As far as the fix goes.
BULL CRAP!

They blew the hatch, man.
They screwed the pooch.

And it's strange to me that all this time, you've been away.
But now when people are starting to know what Genesi is all about, here you are again.

Who are you anyway.
Does Bill Buck pay you for your services?

And it's not speculation.
It's fact, btw.

and furthermore...
MorphOS is illegal.

But that never bothered me much anyway, as I don't see it as a real threat.

And don't give me this crap about api this and api that.
That's horse hocky and you know it.

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It really doesn't matter to me which is faster in benchmarks.

The fact is...
I wouldn't run MorphOS (especially now) on my system if you held a gun to my head.

These kind of people are what the Amiga community does not need.
They only love to destroy what good is left in the community.

For all that is good, I hope Genesi soon leaves the scene.

Don't take it too personal, but I got myself bloated of your clueless posts...
Your arguments are childish and full of nothing. More than that  you are continuesly prooving how much of a pathetic, clueless, ignorant, fanatic, blind follower of "THE_NAME" you are!!!
I wonder how Frodon still tolarates your behavior when you accuse him LIKE THAT!

Yes, I am a Pegasos/MorphOS AND Amiga enthusiast my self, but I don't go to public forums like you offencing people like this!

The only thing the Amiga community does not need right now is people like you and Kay...

If you can't accept the fact that another company that has not access to the "THE_NAME" rights, knows better, develops better AND delivers better IS NOT OUR PROBLEM! Take it or leave it!

So shut the f*** up unless you have something else to say except worshiping "THE_NAME"...

Enough said, back to normal mode now  :-D

[Kay]

> The only thing the Amiga community does not need right now is people like you and Kay...

And exactly how am I damaging the community? Please explain.

Kay