Pegasos to go on sale Monday / Pegasos II to ship September 2003

[ikir]

Pegasos2? :-o

Cool 8-)

[hnl_dk]

downix wrote:

@MikeB & Mountain_Myst

Rather than focus on the negative, why not look to the positive? The existing Pegasos customers are not locked-into their G3's with upgrade options to the Pegasos II. While we won't see dual G4 for a few months yet, when they do arrive, they'll be paired with dual data rate and gigabit ethernet along with other features that have yet to be announced.

Plus, there is the coming STB's and the Eclipsis to fill the void. I honestly can't wait for the Eclipsis. It's just what I've always wanted.

Who is always focused on all the negative stuff ... I think You are the One ;-)

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Alkemyst

Sorry but your action here says to me that you dont really think what has happened is a good thing.

You have your Peg unlike some unlucky others

But yet you sit here & have posted a hell of a lot on this thread & have been hitting the reload button no doubt & have nearly replyed to every post on this thread.

Well, this was a surprizing thwist and I first had some split feelings about it all. But the whole issue matured in my head and now I really think it's a good thing. I guess I made quite a lot of posts here during that process  :-D .

I have seen your trend when Aone or Aos4 held back for what ever reason & you have hammered down.

I have?  :-?
I think I might have been pointing out an available alternative for those still waiting, but I have respect for the OS4 effort. (But I have a lot lesser respect for the "A1" hardware for obvious reasons).

But now its on the other foot your tone is now trying to sound more of a person of fair & realistic reason.

But that dont count cos that is not what you were willing to show with Aos4/Aone delays.

The OS4 supporters are still waiting for "their" PPC OS to be released. They have waited a LOONG time now. The A1 customers are still waiting for their HW, HW which will still be Articia-S based with all it's limitations. This wait for the new Pegasos will be different in that sense that it will be new and better HW. The PegasosOne has allready been in the Articia-S realms. Been there and done that, so to say. MorphOS exists and is being used by many people. I will continue to use MorphOS and follow it's evolution. That is the difference between the "waiting" for the two solutions, and that is what makes it uncomparable. It also explain my different "Point of View" towards the waiting for the two systems.

Where are all thoses MOS ppl now saying dont wait for Aone-XE/Aos4 get a peg.

I'm here!  :-D
Get a Pegasos now! Get it on Monday, because it might quickly run out of stock!  :-)

But now its OK to ask ppl wanting a Peg to wait even longer but it was not ok to ask ppl to wait for an Aone/Aos4

If you want a usable system based on the Articia-S performance and specifications, the PegasosOne will be available for a short time starting from monday(?). You can use this with MorphOS as you used to use your Amiga. Or you can wait until late summer (at least IMO) for a new computer with better specification.

I guess you could also continue waiting for the Articia-S based A1 HW, and the OS4. It's not impossible that you can start using your Articia-S based A1 as an Amiga (due to OS4) by the same time as the new PegasosTwo will be available. But it's of course your choice to make!  :-)

[redrumloa]

Somewhere out there Alan Redhouse is throwing a massive party.

This is very bad news no matter how you look at it or what 'camp' you are in. The Amiga alternative won't be available for AT LEAST 6 months. This is bad for A1/OS4 people to because it takes some pressure off Hyperion.

I have some other comments but I am trying to follow what my mother taught me.

[color=6600FF]If you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything at all.[/color]

[Senex]

There are already G4XEs out there.

Undoubtedly, but more and more it appears from the various websites
and MLs that the Articia-S is still too buggy to let the G4 perform
optimally. Which makes Genesi's decision very plausible. If they had
to design, produce and mount a new April-2/3 for the newer Articia's
also, it's better to change for a new, bug-free chip.

As soon as someone does have an Amiga-One-G4, could (s)he please post
some real-life values of its performance? At ANN.lu for example
someone claims the L2-cache wouldn't work with the G4 and the current
Articia on the AmigaOne, only with the G3.

[Herewegoagain]

My thoughts on this are that no product should be advertised as "obsolete" or "soon to be replaced" for any reason.  It's good that they are looking forward to the next design, but that should be transparent to the end user.  When the PegasosII is nearing a presentable stage, then it should have been announced that the original Pegasos would be phased out.  That's the way a normal company would do it.  You don't stop production on something people want and not make it available for 7 months, just because you want to "up the ante" against the competition.

@senex

Unless you have some proof that they have found more bugs in Artica, etc.... please stop speculating.  (that is where the term FUD comes in).    Do you really think that Mai would have recently recieved "Ready for IBM Technology" validation of the Artica S if it was so buggy as you claim???  To quote from Mai's page:

"MAI Logic has successfully developed optimized supporting devices and reference designs for PowerPCTM microprocessor application platforms which have passed a rigorous PowerPCTM compatibility validation testing process by IBM Microelectronics labs,"said Lisa Su, Director of PowerPCTM and emerging products, IBM Microelectronics. "Solutions like MAI's 'Ready for IBM Technology' chipset and evaluation systems give developers more ways to enhance their applications, resulting in improved time to market, more cost effective designs, and improved performance products by our OEM customers."

Doesn't sound like the bug laden chip you are trying to make it out to be.  And the other thing to think about is that engineering samples of the  Artica P are listed as being available in 1Q2003.  So it's not out of the question that it could be used for the Pegasos II.

[hnl_dk]

Here is a Wuote from Ben Hermans taken from ann.lu

Hmm, strange.

We must all be dreaming then at least 20 people are now using L2 and L3 cache with a G4 pn their AmigaOne's.

Maybe I'm living in an alternate universe.

http://ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1045856742&category=news&start=101#message136

You shouldn't always listen to everybody at ann.lu/amiga.org saying anything "badly" about Amiga/Hyperion/Eyetech/Mai/... ;-)

[mahen]

Well, I'm not sure we should believe everything that is said by Hermans & co either...

Hermans lied about the articia problems too.

[System]

@ Herewegoagain
 

Unless you have some proof that they have found more bugs in Artica, etc.... please stop speculating.

I agree, all these "speculations" are pretty useless and contradict most previous statements made by MorphOS supporters in the past.

Based on what I know, I would say that it is likely that Mai does not want to deal with Genesi any more, which IMO is their good right based on past happenings.

If there are so severe problems with the Articia S chipset, how could anyone ever claim that their current (old-Articia S) Pegasos product is so great?

So, do you understand that you are also directing your FUD towards those still unsold, yet soon to be available Pegasos boards?

I am the last to claim that larger hardware or software projects could be guaranteed to be completely bugless. However why would you be so sure that Genesi will not "find" any bugs in other hardware or software products?

[mahen]

the Articia is a disaster.
But I agree proofs should be given for those who don't believe this.

[mahen]

Sorry for my useless posts !

Anyway, we just all lack facts !

Ppl who believe Hyperion will always be against ppl who believe guys from the MOS team...

So let's just stop being sided, and only judge from real facts.

So, can anyone prove us the articia bugs on A1's ?

[System]

@ Mahen

the Articia is a disaster

I do not agree, based on what I have heard from people using Linux in combination with AmigaOne solutions.

Anyway, as you guys have stated that Apple hardware support is also planned for MorphOS, why shouldn't you guys use such widely available solutions as development platforms in the meantime instead?

And why should anyone want to buy those "disaster" Pegasos boards, available upcoming Monday?

[zacman]

>I do not agree, based on what I have heard from
>people using Linux in combination with AmigaOne
>solutions

Sorry, are you telling me that after being announced
for March 2002, then delayed until November, then
again bug fixed, delivered only a small number then
switched to XE version which is delayed because of
missing G4 CPUs and will have again(!) a new Articia
revision, are you telling us that everything is brilliant
with that NB?

[mahen]

zacman: that was my point The articia had and may still have (according to some ppl, but not according to some other ppl) serious problems.

That's why I personnally don't trust the articia anymore.

[Herewegoagain]

Anyway, we just all lack facts !  

Ppl who believe Hyperion will always be against ppl who believe guys from the MOS team...

So let's just stop being sided, and only judge from real facts.

So, can anyone prove us the articia bugs on A1's ?

No, it's not about being against someone who is "on the other side".  If you read the link on Mai's website, the Artica S has been given IBM's approval.  IBM are not on either side.  IBM has evaluated the product and said it works as should with PPC.  Doesn't mean that it is completely bug free, as nothing is ever totally bug free.  But Senex is making it sound as though the chip is still so buggy that it's completely unusable for the Pegasos or any other system.

Don't believe me or MAI's website?  Go here and look on IBM's site.
  Click here for info on Teron PX with Artica S and it's validation with IBM.

Or check IBM's site here for info on all MAI products.

Now will you say that IBM don't know enough about the chip to say it's ok?   Or are they just giving it approval based on MAI saying it is ok and works???

[System]

@ Zacman

As I stated many times before, the old OF BIOS previously used for the AmigaOne was very buggy and thus caused much delay. Luckily Hyperion has taken care of these problems for Mai.

The AmigaXE motherboards, preferred to by most Amiga users, have been announced for a much later date than March 2002. These boards are currently being tested by quite a few beta-testers and come with a new improved Articia chipset.

I expect and hope that there will be many new enhancements and revisions available with regard to future chipsets. This is IMO a normal and healthy development process, which can also be witnessed within the x86 market.

With regard to delays, I should maybe point out the excellence and experience of the Phase5/bPlan hardware development team. Despite their hardware development expertise they failed to deliver the A/BOX computing solution they announced in 1996 and also suffered various delays with regard to their current Pegasos products.

Mai is a very competent, highly regarded hardware development company, and compared to them bPlan is/was a very small fish.