Pegasos to go on sale Monday / Pegasos II to ship September 2003

[System]

It's good to see such a straight'forward update from the Genesi team! :-) But the news of having no Pegasus 1 G4 upgrades and very limited availability does disappoint me. This is sad especially for various Amiga dealers and a few software developers.  :-(

[downix]

@MikeB & Mountain_Myst

Rather than focus on the negative, why not look to the positive?  The existing Pegasos customers are not locked-into their G3's with upgrade options to the Pegasos II.  While we won't see dual G4 for a few months yet, when they do arrive, they'll be paired with dual data rate and gigabit ethernet along with other features that have yet to be announced.

Plus, there is the coming STB's and the Eclipsis to fill the void.  I honestly can't wait for the Eclipsis.  It's just what I've always wanted.

[weirdami]

And in November, Peggy III and December Peggy IV. But, wait, January 13, 2004 there will be Peggy V and January 21, 2004 Peggy VI....


Why would they even announce the upcomming Peg II, before the Peg 1's are out. What they're saying is, please buy this now because later on, it will be obsolete and you won't want to buy it then.

[zacman]

>Why would they even announce the upcomming
>Peg II, before the Peg 1's are out. What they're
>saying is, please buy this now because later on, it
>will be obsolete and you won't want to buy it then.

The Pegasos is out. There are people having the
hardware. Even more will get it starting with Monday.

However I think it is only fair to say what will be out
next and what won't be supported on the current
design so that nobody gets an wrong idea.

And I think it's a good move from Genesi and their
partners to not stay where they currently are but
instead make a step into the future with advanced
hardware specs.

[System]

Rather than focus on the negative, why not look to the positive? The existing Pegasos customers are not locked-into their G3's with upgrade options to the Pegasos II.

Sure it's good to have an upgrade option, provided given a good deal (any details?), but this board does sound pretty much like a new design and thus a good chance for additional future delays.

[Crumb]

@mountainmyst
The Pegasos is the first board, I guess that there will be a total of around 1400 - 1500 out before the release of the Pegasos II. And yes, people has it use it, and Pegasos and MorphOS is working now, but I think that the problem of Articia S availibility and the inminent release of the new Articia Sa and P are the reason of this limited quantity of boards.

We are not used to have new Amiga models so fast, so the feeling is a little strange, at least for me. We are not used to be able to buy a new board much better and faster in so little time. We'll have to get used to it. Now that we use more standard components it's easier to launch new boards in a shorter period of time.

@ksk

Is there any news about G4 CPU that can fully use DDR system memory bandwidth?

Afaik, no, but being able to use DDR memory will help a lot when DIMMs start to dissapear (I would say that this kind of memory is being replaced by DDR and it's getting difficult to find it...)


@bbrv & hyperion
I'd like to see MorphOS for AmigaOne and OS4 for Pegasos(1/2). If you can't make this reality at least try to allow the developers some portability.

For example, the Firewire stack. I don't know if work has started in this, but it would be a good idea to start talking about this to avoid that both come with their own incompatible usb solution.

If you don't get on well between you, leave the work to a third party and ude it without exclusive agreements etc. The Amiga OS standards should be Open. Open as the OpenPCI library for example. And portable too. There's no sense in reinventing the wheel for things that don't exist yet.

Both of you are using AHI (thank you). Both of you are planing reimplementing the graphic library to avoid the need of using p96/cgx library (I mean, they are going to integrate the rtg libraries in the graphics.library, ending with 2 incompatible systems). One is p96 the other cgx. May you define a standard and make your OS compatible with it?

I think that projects like Phoenix should act as mediators between both partys to avoid the need of breaking the community in little pieces.

Both OS4 and MorphOS use a lot of third party products. Let's use the same products and standards so programmers have less work to support both systems. At the moment the only portable way to do things is to code without using specific OS extensions and using cgx and ahi... there are lots of incompatible drivers etc... sad. What about releasing a gcc distro that can compile code for MorphOS/Amithlon/OS4/OS3/AROS cahnging some flags? That would make the user (and programmer) lifes better.

ummm I should sleep, sometimes I write too much  :-D

[Warrent]

@ Kenny

"Judging by the progress of A1, OS4, MOS and Pegasos, I think Bill Gates."

Oh, that was great.  It brough a good laugh for me.  Oh, how ture it rings.

Thanks,

[System]

The Amiga market is moving again.

Very good.

Congratulation folks on your new Pegasos machines.

Hope the future brings you more good products to purchase.

Maybe later on down the road, we'll see some kind of integration between the two platforms.

I'm feelin' good.   ;-)

[takemehomegrandma]

But the news of having no Pegasus 1 G4 upgrades and very limited availability does disappoint me.

At first, me too was kind of disappointed over the missing G4 upgrade. But they seem to solve this through an upgrade offer to the brand new computer. Time will tell how that will turn out. And to tell the truth, the G3 is far better than I thought it would be. On MacOSX (which is rather bloated) I guess that one or two G4's with Altivitec is quite necessary. But MorphOS and its applications is really fast on the G3, so I won't suffer the least!

The availability is somewhat disappointing too. But the problems with Articia has been known for some time (quality and availability). They got 400 pieces of the "old" ones, and these are used now together with April. I don't know how big the backlog is, but this will propably fill some gaps. And by reserving 100 mobos for themselves they can still make sure that certain "key developers" of their choice will be able to start developing for the future products.

This is sad especially for various Amiga dealers and a few software developers.

Some Amiga dealers might propably be disappointed in the short term. But the volumes would have been quite low anyway. And I don't really think this will matter much to the SW developers. The Pegasos(1) was AFAIK never intended as a major consumer desktop platform (a competitor to Wintel). The main purpose of the Pegasos was to get those developers started in developing applications and solutions for the future, high volume, products.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ weirdami

Why would they even announce the upcomming Peg II, before the Peg 1's are out. What they're saying is, please buy this now because later on, it will be obsolete and you won't want to buy it then.

Because they are straight and playing with open cards? Because there still is interest in Pegasos1? Because it has a backlog and people are complaining about that they want to get it but it is not available?

The Pegasos1 is still a great computer. What they are saying is, "You now have a choice. Do you want to continue waiting or stop waiting? If you want to, you can still buy the Pegasos1. But this is a limited offer. If you are thinking about doing some developing on the platform you can join Phoenix and buy a Pegasos motherboard today with a G3 600MHz processor for only €299".

And this is me adding: "Compare that to the A1 HW. And the A1 HW has not even been released yet. Even the less has OS4 been released. The A1 HW will eventually be released, but we are now about to leave those realms behind us and move forward towards even better HW".

How about that?

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Mountain_Myst

I'm feelin' good. ;-)

Me too!  :-D  :-D  :-D

[Indoro]

If you read it ... Will Merlancia still use Pegasus boards for their comming computers??? Will you wait, or will you switch to the MAI/Eyetech solution? Or maybe another solution

No we will not use the MAI board in our current lineup. We will be using several Genesi solutions in our systems. The MAI board doesn't offer us what we need for the MCC, and the Pegasos does. It's that simple.

Note to those who questioned why any of our products are late: We are subject at all times to the delays of our business affiliates whose technology we are incorporating into our products.

Our products go beyond a Pegasos board. They are an integration of elegance, harmony, and balance with custom hardware and software that make them a viable solution in many markets. They are what Amiga is meant to be, a hardware product that defines the industry in the future...

If Eyetech or anyone else can offer us a design that we feel we can use in one of our products, we will make sure to take advantage of that oppertunity. Genesi has such a design, and we feel that for the MCC it is the best solution.

I hope this helps to understand our point of view a little.

Cheers,

//RC//

[takemehomegrandma]

@ MikeB

Sure it's good to have an upgrade option, provided given a good deal (any details?), but this board does sound pretty much like a new design and thus a good chance for additional future delays.

I somewhat agree with you. This will propably be a completely new design. It might mean future delays, noone can say anything about that. But we do not know when the development started, and we do not now anything about their efforts and resources spent on this. It *could* be released on time. But we all know about the delays in all recent major HW projects ... :-(

There will still be some 300 Pegasos1 available though, for a (propably) very limited time ...

(Havent got used to call it "Pegasos1" instead of just "Pegasos" yet. But I guess progression is natural :-). Taste this: PegasosOne, or P1 :-D)

[amigamad]

why bother with the pegosis 1 when it will be replaced with the pegosis 2. only 300 available they will still be trying to sell them 3 years later.

amigaone will be around in larger numbers than this . :-D  :-o

[Dan]

Yes the amazing quantity of 300 motherboards! :-)
It reminds me of Amiga Onenewboard each day :-)
I realise that the market is small but if people arn´t able to buy the products it will only get smaller.
If hardware is to expensive to develop go sofware only.
That was aimed at both AmigaOne and MorphOS
Still I don´t know what the demand for Pegasosboards is.

I  still haven´t decided which way to go . :-?

Sigh wonder if we ever are going back to tensofthousands boards as in the A500days. :-(
 Boards are cheaper to produce in higher quantity  aleast if they are contracted out. Makes me wonder why 300 and not 500 as i imagine they cost perboardreduction to be in ine with 1-50, 100,500,1000,5000,.....

Still it´s good news that they are available.
 :pint:

[takemehomegrandma]

Neither the PegasosOne :-) or the AmigaOne was IMO positioned as a mass produced desktop computer (read: wintel replacement). Hence, no mass production yet ...