Pegasos to go on sale Monday / Pegasos II to ship September 2003

[ksk]

btw. Is the G3 peg1 as overclocable as A1SE?
733Mhz via dip switches... or better?


( A  little bit relevant, and this should be interesting to read for both peg and A1 fans: Powerlogix's PDF, information about DDR and SDR & L3 cache)

[Crumb]

@takemehomegrandma

Well, let's hope so! But we do not know much about the reasons to this twist. Is it MAI/Articia-related?

I think that Articia Sa (or P) is nearly finished. Why continue producing Articia S based computers if the have to wait until the chips arrive etc... it's easier for them to make a new board. They already have the experience of the previous Pegasos. It's a logical movement in my opinion, because they will not sell old chipsets when they can get new ones at a similar price. On the other hand I think that the MorphOS user base will be quite small (Around 600users) well, I'm not counting the Cyberstorms, but It seems to me very few Pegasos.
Many people bought a Pegasos due to the possibility of upgrading the CPU. Ok, there's a similar offer to that made to AmigaOne SE users, but I think that they should do upgrade cards... of course we'll have to see the offer.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ MarkTime

don't feel like taking a chance....

Hmm. It would be interesting to know what you mean by that? You are afraid that you won't get one of the 300 Pegasos1 even if you order one? Because what else have changed? Yesterday there were only the Pegasos1. Today they announce an even better machine for the late summer, but that doesn't mean that all the Pegasos1's will drop dead during this spring! I will continue to use mine. It's a great machine. And MorphOS is here now and will become even better all the time. So in what way has the "risk" changed? The cards are on the table for everyone to see!

[MarkTime]

I'll answer you honestly.

companies over produce and have to put computer on sale, sometimes they under produce, and have to keep prices high...but they don't just announce unavailability for a while.

Its herky jerky.  It doesn't imply stability.  Its promising selling a CPU module as a feature, but only one CPU module ends up existing.

Its the other promises that could change, as needs change, as circumstances change.

I don't blame genesi, I don't, but this is a reminder that they are a huge gamble.  I'm not interested in that right now.

And 400 boards by september is not market building.   hyperion, as small as they are, will lose 400 customers just by shooting themselves in the foot...I don't see genesi even making an impact for the short term.

And they are the challenger, the upstart, they are the ones who need to do everything right and gain the advantage.  I'm not saying its all over....heavens no....they may well succeed...but I'll join them a little later, perhaps...maybe, when they are on a more solid foundation.

[zacman]

>And 400 boards by september is not market
>building

Just because there won't be any Pegasos I boards
sold anymore doesn't mean that other versions of
the Pegasos won't be sold.

[System]

Well, I'm not going to laugh at the Pegasos side.
I'm sorry everything didn't work out as planned.

With all the things that have been going on, I think a lot of people are going to organize thier minds about a few things.

Reposition thier thought patterns.

I've seen a lot of both sides, in the last two days come together and use one voice, and that was a nice breeze of fresh air.

As far as Bernie goes...
Build it and they will come!

As far as Hyperion goes...
Finish and release it, and they will come!

As far as the Amiga community goes...
Keep the evil out, so we can have a future for the Amiga.
Support those people that should be supported, and don't support the one's that you feel should not be supported.

Speak with your money, and use your mind.
No matter who threatens to take your choice away.

[ksk]

@zacman
"If interested to purchase a Pegasos mainboard... When these are sold there will not be another release until August/September 2003. "

I think it means what it says.

[zacman]

>I think it means what it says.

Please wait for more info on Monday. It won't be a
problem as a developer to get a board from Genesi.

[Skyraker]

Because on monday they'll goto the pegasus tree......

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Crumb

think that Articia Sa (or P) is nearly finished. Why continue producing Articia S based computers if the have to wait until the chips arrive etc... it's easier for them to make a new board. They already have the experience of the previous Pegasos. It's a logical movement in my opinion, because they will not sell old chipsets when they can get new ones at a similar price.

I agree that this is a logical move. The only major negative things that people have said about the Pegasos (excluding pricing) is that the hardware is somewhat outdated. I have a feeling that the Pegasos2 won't be outdated! I'm not so sure that the new chipset will be Articia based at all, though ...

MorphOS user base will be quite small (Around 600users) well, I'm not counting the Cyberstorms, but It seems to me very few Pegasos.

It would be very interesting to know how many Pegasos were sold this far. And allthough about 600 might sound like a small figure I really believe that number covers a great deal of the remaining developers on the Amiga market, plus some new developers from "outside". And this was the aim for the pegasos. To establish a development platform for future products, like the Eclipsis, STB's, and now the Pegasos2 workstation/server. And not the least; to get MorphOS a solid HW platform to grow from. I think they succeded in doing that.

Many important developers allready have their Pegasos computers. They will continue to develop on them. Many users have Pegasos computers aswell (like me). And we will continue to use them :-D. And there will still be some 300 mobos available for those interested in getting things going before the Pegasos2 is released.

Many people bought a Pegasos due to the possibility of upgrading the CPU. Ok, there's a similar offer to that made to AmigaOne SE users, but I think that they should do upgrade cards... of course we'll have to see the offer.

I know. I was one of them! But to be honest, I don't really want a G4 anymore. Before I bought my Pegasos I was kind of used to the Wintel way of thinking, where you don't even consider booting up a computer with WinXP on anything lesser than a 2GHz CPU and 512MB DDR memory. So when I placed my order I orderd a 512MB memory module but I was kind of sceptical towards the "slow" G3@600MHz. But I can tell you this, since MorphOS is such a lean and unbloated OS the system really flies on that CPU. And since I don't do any advanced 3D raytracing or anything such, I don't have any use for a faster CPU now. The system couldn't fly much faster than it does. And a fast G4 would propably use a CPU fan which will create unwanted noise from my virtually silent (mute) computer. Well, 68k emulation would propably benefit from a faster CPU with faster memory. But it's not slow as it is now either, not for a "normal" user. (And the memory? Well, 512MB in an Amiga envireonment means a HUUUGE RAM: drive :-D)

I guess I will decide if I am going to use that upgrade offer when that becomes available. But I am not sure I will to tell the truth ...

[System]

I really don't understand what people are talking about when they say Pegasos II.

There hasn't even been a Pegasos I yet.

Explain someone?

[takemehomegrandma]

@ MarkTime

I see your point. I guess you will still have some days to make up your mind if you want to continue waiting.

And 400 boards by september is not market building. hyperion, as small as they are, will lose 400 customers just by shooting themselves in the foot...I don't see genesi even making an impact for the short term.

I don't really think that Genesi is in a phase where they actually try to build a consumer market just yet. The pegasos was AFAIR aimed towards developers. BBRV have stated that they do not need the money from the Pegasos to survive. And think about it, Genesi has spent some really huge sums on shows alone. This to draw interest towards the platform, to attrackt partners and developers, to get a momentum. I didn't really believe the sum they spent on CES in Las Vegas alone (but now I have forgot it :-P)They are flying in developers and other people from all over the world to Paris (on Genesi's expense), they host developer conferences with travels and lodging payed for. Why? To sell some hundreds of the Pegasos mobo? No. That has never been their final goal, only the beginning. The Pegasos was to get a momentum going, to gain developers to the future platform.

The Genesi future will be the Eclipsis, STB's and other embedded devices, and who knows whatever else. And now, surprisingly, a machine that would actually be a better workstation or server than the Pegasos1 could ever be (not that the Pegasos1 is bad - but the 2:nd will be better ;-)). I think this is good news, because I felt that Genesi was lagging behind on the workstation/server market, and I thought that Genesi didn't see that market as a priority. But this proves different. This will bring Genesi up on par with todays Macs. I like that they didn't just go for the STB's alone!

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Mountain_Myst

I have one on my desk. I believe it was launched at the WOASE show in 2002. I bought mine in December.

[ksk]

Is there any news about G4 CPU that can fully use DDR system memory bandwidth?

[takemehomegrandma]

They are doing it the "Apple" way?

[System]

It's good to see such a straight'forward update from the Genesi team! :-) But the news of having no Pegasus 1 G4 upgrades and very limited availability does disappoint me. This is sad especially for various Amiga dealers and a few software developers.  :-(