Midgets Go to War: Genesi sues Amiga Inc.

[Frodon]

Hello,

1)  So what if MOS users come from Win32 land?  So Win32 is MOS because of that?  Nonsense.

Did I ever or someone else said that AmigaOS is MorphOS?
I agree it is not. MorphOS is just Amiga related and AmigaOS related because it is compatible with the AmigaOS 3.x (source and binary) but of course it is not the AmigaOS.

2) And again - how is that making it Amiga material?

3)  ROFL - these are even valid reasons.

There is no argument that makes MOS more special to amigaland than any other OS.

MOS is an product made my Amiga developers (so members of the Amiga community) and is compatible with AmigaOS 3.x.
AROS is Amiga related, it's "an attempt to build from scratch an AmigaOS 3.1 clone" (quote from: http://www.ahsodit.com/aros/index.html). Then why MorphOS would not be Amiga related? MorphOS has also compatible APIs just like AROS and it is even binary compatible with AmigaOS 3.x software. That's why it's an Amiga related solution (not the trademark but the community, the spirit).

That make it more special to "amigaland". And as Amiga.org (and ANN) is a website about any Amiga related things, MorphOS has its place just like AROS or Amithlon have their place too. The webmaster of this site have already stated on that.

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello,

"The only thing I know for sure is that it's not AmigaOS but it still can run AmigaOS software much like ShapeShifter can run MacOS software. That doesn't make Pegasos any more an Amiga than ShapeShifter makes an Amiga a Mac."

No, ShapeShifter emulate in some way how works a real Macintosh and don't use its own compatible APIs to run MacOS software.
MorphOS use its own APIs that are compatible with the AmigaOS 3.x APIs. You see it's not working the same way. It's more like AROS.

So yes MorphOS is not more Amiga related than AROS, but not less. As its AmigaOS 3.x compatibility work similarly to AROS. It use compatible APIs just like AROS (+ a 68k emulator for the 68k binary compatibility). So MorphOS is not more not less Amiga related than AROS.
After it depends on how Amiga related you find AROS to be...

But respect people that think that MorphOS is a valid solution for the future of the Amiga as they know it and like it. You can't think for the others, they have their opinion, you should respect it.

Regards

[Dagon]

MorphOS required AmigaOS binaries to run. That means that they used Amiga source code

I think there is a difference between using a binary code and using a source code.

Anyway the only thing I know is that the future of the Amiga platform is uncertain and that puts me in great disconfort. (I wish I had a new Amiga that`s the only thing I know)

[DaveP]

@billsey

I have rarely heard such claptrap in all my
life. Do you think I am illegally using IP by writing an application
to run on AmigaOS?

That is effectively what MorphOS people
did. Whether they used AOS3.1 source code or not is something
that for a long time put up or shut up has been asked and
I guess Amiga Inc took the shut up option.

This lawsuit apparently has nothing to do with that but
in the best traditions of marketing it was alluded to.

@everyone
Every dog has his day.

[System]

But aparently it doesn't have anything of its own to make it suceed without ripping the official AmigaOS completely apart.

this legal action  has nothing to do with the AOS.... Hyperion has the rights to make OS4 irreguardless of what happend to A.inc....why do people care so much for A.inc? what did they do for you?

Hyperion makes an OS I respect them... Eyetech makes? I aknowledge them.... but A.inc?

[DaveP]

@mips_proc

How dare you!

AInc made a search and replace for Intent or Elate keywords
to change it to AmigaDE and AmigaOS.

AInc added a NIC MAC copyright protection based installer
to the Intent installer from TAO.

AInc created a packaging system and called it AmigaAnywhere

AInc deigned to allow Hyperion to sort out AOS4 for PPC.

AInc undermined AOS4 by talking about AOS5 "within a year"

AInc threatened legal action at a few people but never followed through.

AInc closed their offices ( still no new details ), let their websites
get out of date etc..

AInc told lots of silly overoptimistic game plans to certain Amiga magazines
who reprinted them almost verbatim without questioning it.

AInc got a loan off the gullible, the fanatical and the religious
in the userbase.

AInc hired a few people, let a few people go, published a single
magazine that talked about "sheep" and then went quiet.

AInc are doing lots of mega secret ( like Merlancia I guess ) stuff
that you have to be under several NDAs and "trusted" to find out.

Oh and they made a contract with Thendic for the FatBoy
which looks like has just got them in trouble.

So thats what... a weeks work .... spread over two years? And they
say that US productivity rates are low... ;-)

[System]

Poster: Alkemyst Date: 2003/2/4 23:11:33

@MisterBrisby
Dont try & turn what you said around.
I was pointing out that its silly to use a term of a failed platform to premote another.

You said it i did not.

That slogan is from Mega Drive (aka Genesis) times and the Mega Drive was quite a success.
Can´t remember about the Dreamcast-slogans but anyhow...  :-D

[anarchic_teapot]

Targhan wrote:
Even if both parties are told to go to their corners, it will be in the court's hands. Which, maybe, isn't that bad.

Don't forget that in the US everyone has to pay their own court costs, even if the suit brought against them was patently frivolous and gets laughed out of court.
I'd rather wait to see what further details transpire before cheering or booing, and be sure that it's not just an attempt to intimidate (or even drive out of business- this has happened before) before deciding.

But in any case, I rather suspect that any rights or wrongs are totally irrelevant and the whole thing's totally pointless in the current climate.

[norm]

This is really quite sad. Why does Genesi feel that they have sue AInc or anyone else. Can't they let their products talk volumes rather than this bickering?

The Amiga community is turning into a school playground. What with all this bitching and in fighting.
Oh well... While the real world moves on...

[CyberMech]

Tell those former folks from phase 5 to just og and p..s off.

We'd probably buy stuff and go and liquidate.  No thank you, I have more faith in Bill.

[Herewegoagain]

So at least Amiga.org or ANN are not anymore "Amiga(R) only" website, they are Amiga community websites. And today the community is composed by Amiga(R)/AmigaOS users, Amithlon/AmigaOS users, UAE/AmigaOS users, AROS users and Pegasos or Amiga(R) with MorphOS users.

But the one thing that "Amiga(R)/AmigaOS users, Amithlon/AmigaOS users, UAE/AmigaOS users" all have in common is that they are running AmigaOS.... The real OS not a ripoff.

But go ahead little mice.... follow Bill "the pied piper" Buck down the road.  He is so predictable (as I guess we all are, because I shouldn't even waste my breath on this crap)  Before this is all over he will post a message something like :  "This is great stuff.  It is working".  

Say what you want about Amiga Inc., but I've never seen Bill Mcewen come into a forum and create problems like BB does.  That speaks volumes for the (non)"professionalism" of Genesi, and just how small time they really are.

When a cat is backed into a corner and scared, they will hiss and scratch.  I think this is where Genesi are at now.  It's apparent they are fearing the pending competition by their actions.

[JoannaK]

Hi Rose

Year(s?) ago you loudly warned all us about poor economical status of Thendic...  I know you like digging all that data, so please could you make short summary of status of AmigaInc and Hyperion as they are now?

[DaveP]

@downix

 Commodore was in litigation for or against a few dozen companies at any one time. Suing against stupid patents, suing to gain a position on another chip maker's fab process. Jack understood that litigation was an important levereging tool for any business.

Whilst I also welcome actions not words litigation over
technical items ( patents etc ) is usual in the real world and
has nothing to do with chutzpah. Companies only build up
patents to say to each other "I have more on you than you
do on me". Look at IBM for example, it has been stockpiling
patents of mass destruction as a litigation deterrant since the
year dot(com?) and realises value and encourages inventors.

Where this differs is litigation over a /contract/ unless you
know more than you are revealing here.

@notAtDownixSpecifically

I don't see this as a
david and goliath issue given the size of the Amiga Inc staff
seems to be less than the Genesi conglomerate.

Interestingly Alkis said on ANN that there was another
court case that AInc lost - I want to find out more ( although
he could have just been bulling or mistyped ).

However, we aren't the judge and jury of the outcome
and nor should we pretend to be. If this court case
brings about an end to the sabre rattling one way or another
then it will be a good day in the annals of Amigadom.

[zacman]

>Interestingly Alkis said on ANN that there was
>another court case that AInc lost - I want to find out
>more

I found it not wise that Alkis said this as the one who
is concerned might not want to discuss this in public
forums.

[lempkee]

i have read all messages here now , and to me its seems like ainc is sueing genesi, well atleast on how you guys speak.

its GENESI who is sueing AINC for godsake.

anyway i think we need to just shut up for a while until we know more as this is just BS.

conartists have always been a problem and in the end they will always get their ............

to the @mos people , as i said 2 years ago... i am not interested , my neighbour is a mos man and have access to whatever he wants and i know he will talk if its needed.

To the @aos people , all of this is sad news and good news but in the end all of this might kill evrything on mos and aos, but then again it seems that we like fights (i sticked here in thick and thin) ,anyway i belive that ainc will win this fight (as i belive its about the actual patents and the source blooper.

[DaveP]

Well at least we know that a cat is there that might
eventually get out of the bag.

Im guessing that because I can't find anything
in the public domain ( court documents ) it was settled
out of court anyway.

Else i am looking in the wrong states archives ;-)