Midgets Go to War: Genesi sues Amiga Inc.

[Alkemyst]

@MisterBrisby
Dont try & turn what you said around.
I was pointing out that its silly to use a term of a failed platform to premote another.

You said it i did not.

[System]

You mean you don't recall Amiga Inc's "AMNESTY UNTIL SEPTEMBER ONE" posting(s)?

Well, that's not quite slander now is it.
Someone stole Amiga's property, and they want it back.
That's not mud slinging.

I liked the speech, and I'm only sorry that Amiga Inc. didn't go though with it.

As far as MorphOS not using Amiga Code, well, that's kinda rediculous.

It's plain to see that Amiga code was used.
They can say that they didn't use it if they wish, but I know better than that.

Genesi, or whomever, might have written a lot of things, but I can tell you now that Amiga OS code is in there.

I'm actually hoping for a countersuit, since ole' Mr. Buck has pushed it all this far.

[Blomberg]

So BBRV is passionate about the subject and does not enjoy being called names

 :lol:  :lol:

Then maybe he should stop calling other people names.  ;-)

[Frodon]

Hello,

It's plain to see that Amiga code was used.
They can say that they didn't use it if they wish, but I know better than that.

Well, let's check that. Have you ever developped APIs compatible with other OS APIs using just public documentation? Considering what you said, I doubt a lot you've ever tried.
To give a concrete example which is outside our Amiga world, that's what the OpenBeOS Team is actually doing to be compatible with BeOS, and guess what, it looks exactly like BeOS! In fact when it'll be finish it'll be very hard to see the difference between OpenBeOS and BeOS. But they just used the public developper documentations (this include the OS public includes, the BeOS Bible...etc) and don't use at all any part of the BeOS code.

If you had just searched a bit over the net OSes API compatible with others you'd see it's totally possible to make an OS that just work like another one without using any original code and just the documentation (OpenBeOS, BlueEyed OS,  others BeOS compatible projects, AROS and of course MorphOS).

For me it's obvious that by saying that "It's plain to see that Amiga code was used." show clearly that you have no clue the technical aspect.
You know that's not because MorphOS or AROS looks like AmigaOS that they have used AmigaOS code. Just like OpenBeOS elements which just looks like the real BeOS but have been rewritten without any part of the BeOS code.

In a nutshell, it's not possible to say just by looking at an OS if it has used code of another one. What I know personnaly is that OpenBeOS didn't use any original BeOS code and AFAIK this is also the case of AROS and MorphOS. At least I know it's perfectly possible to make an OS compatible with another without using any part of the original OS code. And I don't see why it'd not be the case for MorphOS and AROS (particularly considering that AmigaOS is extremely well documented and the time of development (AROS has started years ago and MorphOS has been faster because the MOS Team can use the work already done by the AROS Team).

Regards

[AmiGR]

As far as MorphOS not using Amiga Code, well, that's kinda rediculous.
It's plain to see that Amiga code was used.
--

How exactly is it plain to see? Do you have proof?
You know very well that the AmigaOS API is
EXTREMELY well documented. Documented enough
to be replicated. Furthermore AROS code was used
as well. Even OS 3.9 used some AROS code.

They can say that they didn't use it if they wish, but I know better than that.
--

Then proove it. You can be sued for spreading such
stuff and not prooving it. Genesi is innocent until the
court decides the opposite.


Genesi, or whomever, might have written a lot of things, but I can tell you now that Amiga OS code is in there.
--

Go on. Proove it.

I'm actually hoping for a countersuit, since ole' Mr. Buck has pushed it all this far.
--

There won't be one if Genesi wins... There won't be
one even if they lose.... Amiga Inc has no money for
any such stuff... *I* can proove that but won't do it
here, I can't say most stuff I know.

[greenboy]

Mountain_Myst,

What slander? do you understand what the definition of slander is? If Amiga Inc genuinely believed what they said, and threatened what they threatened, then it behooves them to follow through with legal action. "Liking the speech" does not help anything be legally resolved.

Heck, I've liked speeches before, too. Later on I found they were no basis for anything other than good speechwriters' paychecks. And those particular words actually interested me a good deal because I really wanted to see some resolution to base future plans on.

But you seem to speak a lot from hearsay - and vacillate as well on which hearsay is currently affecting you. Like it's more about your emotional state of security than what has been actually presented. If it is indeed "plain to see that Amiga code was used ... They can say that they didn't use it if they wish, but I know better than that," why would such a simple open-and-shut case then not be pursued by Amiga Inc, and won?

A sidenote: perhaps you do not understand what the implications of a compatible API are either...

Genesi, or whomever, might have written a lot of things, but I can tell you now that Amiga OS code is in there.

Then Amiga Inc should call you in as an expert witness. Perhaps your intimate knowledge of the development issues can turn the tide in their favor.

[downix]

For me it's obvious that by saying that "It's plain to see that Amiga code was used." show clearly that you have no clue the technical aspect.

I might be able to mention a more obvious API clone out there:

And...
Give me an L!
*L*
Give me an I!
*I*
Give me an N!
*N*
Give me a U!
*U*
Give me an X!
*X*
What's that spell!

Yes, you read it here folk, Linux copies an API or 3.

Their POSIX complience is entirely based on documented API for POSIX.

Same with their Sys V support, entirely based on the UNIX System V documentation.  At the time, using the actual source code was out of the question, due to AT&T's lawsuits against BSD at the time that Linux was being created.

Yes, they could *look* at the source code, to determine the API, but that was actually harder to do than to read the actual API manuals.  (As anybody worth their weight in source code can tell you)

[Eric_Z]

Side1) Post reply...

Side2) "Ohmygod THEY posted a reply that means if we don't post we'll lose the argument cuz everyone knows that hoever post the last reply is allways right!"
( post utterly moronic repetative comment, somhow beleving that this will increase the popularety of his system of choise. "Cause everyone knows that hoever posts the last reply...")

Side1) "Ohmygod..."

[downix]

You know, this actually shows something interesting about Genesi.  It's showing a Genesi that isn't all talk, they're actually doing something.  Have not seen this kind of chutzpah since Jack Tramiel.  Under Jack, Commodore was in litigation for or against a few dozen companies at any one time.  Suing against stupid patents, suing to gain a position on another chip maker's fab process.  Jack understood that litigation was an important levereging tool for any business.  This is a lesson most businesses since have failed to learned.  Business tactics can range from bullying to lawsuits, but they're all tactics to gain an end-result.  By Genesi taking this tactic you can rest assured that the days of himming and hawing, toothless dogs barking, are gone from the Amiga community.  The coming times might be bloody, might even loose some previously hard core members....

But we will be re-forged again.

[Bodie]

FFS, just as I get back into the Amiga this ####e comes up again........

I'm flippin p' off  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x  :madashell:  :madashell:  :madashell:  :madashell:  :madashell:  :destroy:  :flame:

[Bodie]

Bring back Donald Pleasance  :-P .

[Madgun68]

Makes me wonder.. The MOS camp spares no effort in asserting that they're a part of the Amiga community yet they're doing a much better job of splitting it than anything else.

It's hard to sit on the fence when someone's trying to push you off.

[Bodie]

It's hard to sit on the fence when someone's trying to push you off.

How true.

[Argo]

Where is Iving Gould and Medi Ali when you need them? :-P

[Billsey]

@Frodon, AmiGR

Look, it's already been posted---and acknowledged---that MorphOS required AmigaOS binaries to run. That means that they used Amiga source code. They might not have compiled it, but because they used the compiled product of that source code, they used  the source code. Everytime someone purchases a computer software product, they do so according to a particular license. If their use of that product violates the license held, they are using that product illegally. Whether source or compiled product is really immaterial. The use is still illegal.

The MorphOS team has been openly accused of illegal use of an Amiga product. So far as we know there has been no slander or libel suit forthcoming, but there has been an admission that the need for such product has been removed.

[lempkee]

the bad news never seems to stop? , oh well as many of us allready knows
if someone sue anyone then we sue back, righT?

i have enough here (inlcuding threats) to sue someone who write like 4-5 mails to me, and i know of more who got simmilar emails + even more (filthy stuff).

in general what is happening here is something i dont like, but now this is getting pretty annoying.

last of all i have no idea on what this is all about as we dont know all for 100% yet.

a good tip before starting a thing like this is TO CLEAN OUT THE OLD TRAsh! , and that has been forgotten and such is NOT tolerated (and for many of the victims IMPOSSIBLE)

anyway i am still waiting for my A1 Xe800 , and i am still waiting to see pegasos in the shops (with a final MOS) , until then...ITS VAPOR.