Midgets Go to War: Genesi sues Amiga Inc.

[lempkee]

the bad news never seems to stop? , oh well as many of us allready knows
if someone sue anyone then we sue back, righT?

i have enough here (inlcuding threats) to sue someone who write like 4-5 mails to me, and i know of more who got simmilar emails + even more (filthy stuff).

in general what is happening here is something i dont like, but now this is getting pretty annoying.

last of all i have no idea on what this is all about as we dont know all for 100% yet.

a good tip before starting a thing like this is TO CLEAN OUT THE OLD TRAsh! , and that has been forgotten and such is NOT tolerated (and for many of the victims IMPOSSIBLE)

anyway i am still waiting for my A1 Xe800 , and i am still waiting to see pegasos in the shops (with a final MOS) , until then...ITS VAPOR.

[Bodie]

Argo said

Where is Iving Gould and Medi Ali when you need them?  

 :lol:  :lol:

[System]

Well, the fact of the matter is this.

If Amiga Inc and Hyperion go...
I go.

Frodo, bbrv, and the clown have infiltrated the community.

Preachers of MorphOS and Pegasos, with Bill Buck in the background silently minipulating all the forums.

To them it seems to be working.
To me it also seems to be working.

But you know what?
Amiga Inc and Hyperion have the only solution that I personally would consider valid for Amiga.

That Solution is AmigaOne, OS4, and the dongle.

Under the supervision of Genesi, it will continue to go like it has for about 10 years now.
To hell in a handbasket.

Amiga Inc wanted to secure the Amiga OS and make sure that developers recieved payment for thier work.
Amiga Inc wanted to put a virtual end to Amiga piracy.
Amiga Inc wants the Amiga name to grow into something that it hasn't been in many years.

Genesi wants to keep everything the same.
Open to pirates.
No specifications to meet for programmers who build for amiga.
On and On and On....

Same old crap!

If this community lets Bill Buck have his way, then this community is commiting suicide.
Amiga will be dead within 5 years.

Haage and Partner will return in full strength.
People like Mr. Myers will get off the wagon and go on to better things.

Germany will once again be building patched up hardware as expensive add ons.
And Amiga will die.

As much as a lot of people here hate Bill McEwen for whatever reason, he is the only hope along with Hyperion for hope in the future.

Agree...
Disagree...
It really doesn't matter.

If Bill Buck takes control, America, along with many other countries will never see a true amiga again.

[Frodon]

Hello,

Frodo, bbrv, and the clown have infiltrated the community.

Well don't judge people when you don't know them! I've never "infiltrated" this community.
I'm an Amiga user since 1988. So I'm in this community for a long time now.

I just don't have the same opinion than you. If you want us (people who don't have the same opinion than you) to respect your opinion, please respect us too.
As far as I can remember, I've always respected your opinion for now, so please respect that some Amiga users prefer the Pegasos/MorphOS solution for the Amiga future than the official one. That doesn't make them in any ways "infiltrators".

We've to live together, you can't change that, and for that we've to respect each others. So please do so.

Regards

[System]

It was not a personal attack against you Frodo.
Please don't take it as such.

That's just the way it's working out, if that makes sense.

I've always enjoyed reading your posts and statements...  Kronos, and bbrv also.

But im starting to see a particular pattern in what is going on between the three of you.
Call it paranoid behavior if you wish, but I reckon that's just the way I am.

But anyway, you three are not the main issue.

The main issue is who's hands Amiga will fall into.
And I see the Genesi side as a grave danger.

Didn't mean to offend you.
Sorry.

[Frodon]

Hello Mountain_Myst,

Ok no prob.

And I see the Genesi side as a grave danger.

Well depends what you mean by "danger".
Personnaly I think that if Genesi can offer us a great future, why not considering their solution?
IMHO limiting the vision of the Amiga future just to the official solution would let less chance for the "Amiga" (I mean more spiritualy speaking, this is what I've always loved in the Amiga, the spirit of the OS and also in the community) to survive.

Btw please note that I've never said that AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4 is not a good solution. I just say it's not the only one and therefore I don't just only consider it. Time will tell if this solution will be great or not also. And I'm not ignoring it at all.
But for now I can't see the quality of this solution as AmigaOS 4 is not available yet. That's all.

And when me or some others defend MorphOS it's just, at least for me, to avoid misinformation, FUD or other stuffs like this to be spread. When I say that MorphOS doesn't use any part of the AmigaOS code, I say it because I know that they've used the AROS work to make compatible APIs + their own work to enhance them and I know that AROS have been developped just using the documentations available publicly.
I also know that AmigaOS is very well documented and so that what the AROS Team and then the MOS Team have done is perfectly possible without breaking any laws or IP.

To conclude, I am open to every solution and when me or someone else defend MorphOS, it is nothing against anyone or anything, it's just to prevent misinformation about MorphOS. And that does not at all (at least for me) imply that we are against AmigaOS 4. Personnally I want to see it working before making my opinion on it. So for now I've an opinion on MorphOS because I can use it and so I know it. On the contrary I don't know AmigaOS 4 very much as I can't use it for now so I can't make my opinion about it.

Regards

[Targhan]

Honestly, this is a wait and see situation.  Even if both parties are told to go to their corners, it will be in the court's hands.  Which, maybe, isn't that bad.  Look at what happened to Amithlon when no party took their complaints to court....

[BADHead]

This community aint big enough
for the both of them the young
gun is trying to shoot down the
old hand

[Argo]

Yeah, that's how we should settle disputes. Time to get rid of the courts...
Dueling pistols at high noon
or
sabres at dawn.

[Herewegoagain]

As far as I can remember, I've always respected your opinion for now, so please respect that some Amiga users prefer the Pegasos/MorphOS solution for the Amiga future than the official one. That doesn't make them in any ways "infiltrators".

BUT THAT IS NOT THE AMIGA WAY.... IT IS THE MORPHOS WAY...


I've said it before and will again.... If you want pegasos and morphos, go to it... have it... leave Amiga the f_ck alone and make morphos grow on it's own merits... But aparently it doesn't have anything of its own to make it suceed without ripping the official AmigaOS completely apart.

And yes, it does make them infiltrators when they come into every last Amiga forum trying to become the dominant OS of the forum and push the others out!  And don't say you people are not trying to push the official AmigaOS out, because you are.

[Paul_Gadd]

Why dont the people claiming "MorphOS is illegal" PROVE IT,

If Amiga inc wants to call it illegal then so be it, they deserve all they get.

[dammy]

Poster: Mountain_Myst Date: 2003/2/4 21:11:40



The main issue is who's hands Amiga will fall into.
And I see the Genesi side as a grave danger.

Great danger of what?  Having owners who actually know how to get a product out to market AND know how to market it?  Owners who would rather tell you go get F'd instead of blowing sunshine up your ass?  Oh yeah, great danger there, knowning exactly where you stand with them for which they are not going to sugar coat it for you.  

If getting the straight answer without the fluff and lipservice is a great danger, put me on the highway to the danger zone.

Dammy

[Frodon]

Hello,

I've said it before and will again.... If you want pegasos and morphos, go to it... have it... leave Amiga the f_ck alone and make morphos grow on it's own merits... But aparently it doesn't have anything of its own to make it suceed without ripping the official AmigaOS completely apart.

And yes, it does make them infiltrators when they come into every last Amiga forum trying to become the dominant OS of the forum and push the others out!  And don't say you people are not trying to push the official AmigaOS out, because you are.

Well but there is obvious reasons for that:

1) MorphOS users / actors are from the Amiga community

2) News website are speaking about Pegasos / MorphOS in their news

3) Even non MorphOS users are speaking about it on the news / forum website

So at least Amiga.org or ANN are not anymore "Amiga(R) only" website, they are Amiga community websites. And today the community is composed by Amiga(R)/AmigaOS users, Amithlon/AmigaOS users, UAE/AmigaOS users, AROS users and Pegasos or Amiga(R) with MorphOS users.

Again you can't change that, even if you want it. And as soon as there'll be people speaking about MorphOS and people that may spread misinformation about it, I and some others will answer to avoid the misinformations.

I don't see any problems with that. You may not like the today diversity of the community, but that's the today situation. But sadly or not, you've to live with it.
Just like in the world you've to live with lot of different people with lot of different origins.

You may don't like that, but you can't change the situation.

Regards

[createcoms]

1)  So what if MOS users come from Win32 land?  So Win32 is MOS because of that?  Nonsense.

2) And again - how is that making it Amiga material?

3)  ROFL - these are even valid reasons.

There is no argument that makes MOS more special to amigaland than any other OS.

[AmiDog]

Well, since the complete exec-sources was leaked and widely spread a couple of years ago, chances are that the MorphOS guys have access to it. If they used it, no one but themselves will ever know.

I'm not pro/con MorphOS, to me it's just another OS, nothing more, nothing less.

The only thing I know for sure is that it's not AmigaOS but it still can run AmigaOS software much like ShapeShifter can run MacOS software. That doesn't make Pegasos any more an Amiga than ShapeShifter makes an Amiga a Mac.

The same applies for Linux with WINE and Win32. It would (IMHO) be a lot better if the MOS people left the AOS people alone and vice versa. This constant arguing wont do anyone any good.

[Frodon]

Hello,

1)  So what if MOS users come from Win32 land?  So Win32 is MOS because of that?  Nonsense.

Did I ever or someone else said that AmigaOS is MorphOS?
I agree it is not. MorphOS is just Amiga related and AmigaOS related because it is compatible with the AmigaOS 3.x (source and binary) but of course it is not the AmigaOS.

2) And again - how is that making it Amiga material?

3)  ROFL - these are even valid reasons.

There is no argument that makes MOS more special to amigaland than any other OS.

MOS is an product made my Amiga developers (so members of the Amiga community) and is compatible with AmigaOS 3.x.
AROS is Amiga related, it's "an attempt to build from scratch an AmigaOS 3.1 clone" (quote from: http://www.ahsodit.com/aros/index.html). Then why MorphOS would not be Amiga related? MorphOS has also compatible APIs just like AROS and it is even binary compatible with AmigaOS 3.x software. That's why it's an Amiga related solution (not the trademark but the community, the spirit).

That make it more special to "amigaland". And as Amiga.org (and ANN) is a website about any Amiga related things, MorphOS has its place just like AROS or Amithlon have their place too. The webmaster of this site have already stated on that.

Regards