The Race to Kill Kazaa

[Argo]

There has been some interest of last on some Amiga lists of Kazaa and other files sharing networks. Here is an article from Wired.com that may be of interest.



"The servers are in Denmark. The software is in Estonia. The domain is registered Down Under, the corporation on a tiny island in the South Pacific. The users - 60 million of them - are everywhere around the world. The next Napster? Think bigger. And pity the poor copyright cops trying to pull the plug."

[createcoms]

Im a man of double standards.  Kazaa and all its piracy is good.  Pirating amiga software isnt good, and thankfully I have found none on it (I look for amiga warez to report the peeps to AINC).

But I like my 30GB+ divx collection, my 20gb MP3 collection, my 30gb warez collection.

Go Kazaa - you can beat em!!!!!!


Hil Hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay only joking about the hitler part.

 :-D  :-D  :-D

[whabang]

I think that it's spelled heil...

[WarPiper]

@ createcoms

Im a man of double standards. Kazaa and all its piracy is good. Pirating amiga software isnt good, and thankfully I have found none on it (I look for amiga warez to report the peeps to AINC).

But I like my 30GB+ divx collection, my 20gb MP3 collection, my 30gb warez collection.

ok, I think you are a complete moron, sorry, but to sit there and say that it is ok to steal from the movie industry, the music industry and to collect warez  (PC technobabble for softeware) is ok for as long as its not Amiga warez, other wise you will report them to AINC is just down right stupid, and not for nothing, but if you are stealing from the movie/music/software industries, and admit to it like you did, then that leads me to think that you are also doing it to Amiga software too, and your just playing like you have this "I'm Holyer than thou" attitude just because you SAY you dont pirate Amiga software.

In short, I think you talking through you ass, sorry pal but I am calling it as I see it.  And that goes the same for anybody that says the same as you.

I will tell you, if there is a song I want, if there is a movie I want, if there is PC software I want regardless if its PC or Amiga, and there is a way I can get it for nothing,...   ...I AM GETTING IT!

so please go talk that Amiga reporting crap to some one else!

by the way, there are no Amiga warez on kazaa because what is out there for Amiga is all crap that nobody wants, or can get through Aminet

[Crumb]

I am not against piracy of overpriced products, specially if most of the profit of selling that product does not go to the author. That happens a lot with books and records (specially music cds, they are overpriced in spain)
I am not against piracy of products you aren't going to use. For example, many peecee users have Maya copies but it doesn't matter because they never use it, and they don't get any profit of it. That doesn't harm developers because that kind of users aren't going to buy that package anyway. That probably may benefit them in the long run because some people may find it interesting and decide to study 3D design and if they go on sometime in the future they may buy it to use it comercially and earn money

I am against piracy if someone makes money of it, for example I don't like the fact of selling pirated copies of anything (Music, VideoGames, etc...) people who buy this are potential buyers ready to spend some money, but the problem is that someone that is not the real author is winning money and the real author is not seeing a single cent of it.

For example, I don't mind paying for cheap cds done by local (or small) music bands, they are cheap and almost all money goes to the real authors, probably a higher percentage than the money that goes to big music bands.

I prefer going to concerts of big bands than buyibg its expensive records.

Now think also that many people seem to collect divx and mp3, sometimes they don't even watch or listen to them, they are collect-maniacs.

For example I don't agree with pirating shareware, because most of the times you can try it if you want, it's quite cheap and the author it's usually someone like you, a student without job.

I pay for what I use. When Amithlon was released I bought it even watching the pirate versions in everywhere and having access to these versions because I knew that I was going to use it. The same with AmigaOS 3.9 etc... I don't care if you have 100000 pirate cds as long as you pay for what you really use or really want. Some friends of mine have bought movie DVDs after having the movie in divX because they really liked the movie. I've done that also with some music cds (even due to the high price -sigh-) I don't have DVD and almost never go out to see movies.
I'm not holyer than anyone, that's just what I think about it. The big movie and music studios earn much more money than the real authors and times are changing. If the sold DVDs 4 times cheaper they would sell 8 times more. Piracy on the Amiga is specially dangerous due to the small market, if you pirate something for pc it's not as harmful to the creators of the product as if you do this with an Amiga product. People left who is now using Amigas know how dangerous it is.

And what createcoms has said has sense for me. If I want two products and one is for peecee and the other for Amiga I will probably spend money in the Amiga product.

[System]

While I am against piracy, I am not against Kazaa. IMO it is the responsability of the user not to download or spread pirated software and other warez.

This is unlike gun control, nobody is getting killed by providing easy to use file-sharing tools.

[WarPiper]

@Crumb

I am not against piracy of products you aren't going to use. For example, many peecee users have Maya copies but it doesn't matter because they never use it, and they don't get any profit of it. That doesn't harm developers because that kind of users aren't going to buy that package anyway. That probably may benefit them in the long run because some people may find it interesting and decide to study 3D design and if they go on sometime in the future they may buy it to use it comercially and earn money

umm...  ...so then its ok to download a pirate version of lightwave 5.0 for the Amiga for as long as I may decide sometime in the future to study 3D design then purchase (about $1600) and use Lightwave 5.0 commercially?

oh waite, no, NOT THE AMIGA VERSION, the PC VERSION right?

Its amazing...   ....Crooks with a Conscience  :roll:

Hypocrites

[commodore_jim]

@createcoms  
Piracy is wrong on any computer platform and on any medium.

If I understand you correctly, I think you're saying that piracy is acceptable on the PC but not on the Amiga because of the massive size difference in the markets. This arguement has never and will never hold water.

I remember people using a similar defense in the late 80s/early 90s when copying Amiga software, citing the size of the Commodore empire as a license to copy at will. Regardless of a company's strength, piracy is theft. It advocates a policy of "I take what I want", a policy which sadly is all too prelavent these days. We want everything and we want it five minutes ago.

If you want a game/application/CD/movie just pay for it. If you think it's too expensive or you can't afford it, go without. Be adult about it.

[WarPiper]

I just wish that they would stop bullsh!ting, you cant tell me that people who pirate every type of media out there make a conscience decision to not pirate Amiga software, sorry, but I know better.

Then on top of it all tell me you search the web looking for pirate amiga warez to report to Ainc, lets see now, do you report to Ainc all the Amiga warez you see befor or after you finish downloading that divx copy of Terminator 2, or the Newest Metallica MP3, or that copy of Maya?

 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

[Hammer]

Altnet + Broadband + cheap price = new opportunities.

It may break the existing power of motion and music distributors.

[Crumb]

umm... ...so then its ok to download a pirate version of lightwave 5.0 for the Amiga for as long as I may decide sometime in the future to study 3D design then purchase (about $1600) and use Lightwave 5.0 commercially?

Lightwave 5 is overpriced, I don't care if you have a pirate copy for Amiga or peecee as long as you don't make profit of it or use it professionaly.

Have you read what I have written? Many people have pirated copies of lightwave and other stuff but it doesn't matter (Amiga or PC) because most of them don't use it. Re-read my post

[Oli_hd]

Hi

I just wish that they would stop bullsh!ting, you cant tell me that people who pirate every type of media out there make a conscience decision to not pirate Amiga software, sorry, but I know better.

Very true, that really sums up what I think too.

Piracy is wrong, if its music, software or anything, if you use it you have to pay for it even if its really expensive if its the only software which will do it then pay for it, otherwise go for a cheaper option!
I have no pirated software / music on any platform (PC or Amiga) and I have a lot of software.

(PS: I like seeing people stand up agains piracy, Im nice and proud at the moment  ;-)

[pixie]

Not everything is black or white, you can still be against Amiga Piracy and use PC warez...

If we are going to talk about how bad is to 'steal' software, movies, music I hope you are prepared to discuss how overpriced cost they really are… it seems some of you aren’t tired or don’t care to be ripped off by big corporations. Big software houses already have their income, I’m not going to buy their software to learn how to use them, Amiga software on the other hand is another case because they are in the same boat as I, supporting them is supporting myself, my ideas how an OS should be, and despite not having a great user base you don’t see the ridiculous prices you get on Windows/Mac world.

IMNSHO, as long as you don’t make a profit with the software you can have a play with it… in the long run it would turn in more income to the company, look at photoshop, autocad… just to name a few, many have it illegal, but if they start to get serious about it they will have to buy it…

The medium becomes cheaper, the content remains the same price, something have to be wrong. Years ago you had to pay for a megadrive cartridge 60€, nowdays you pay the same for a cd game or dvd, despite being a lot cheaper to make, their greed is never enough, so don’t expect the prices to go down in the next years…

Untill then, I will continue to see some divx, rip to mp3 some friends cds, and using some PC warez until the day I earn money through their use… as simply as that, you do all what your consciousness tell you, I’ll do the same…

pixie- writing from a paradise called Portugal

[fx]

I download tons of mp3's, and if I like what I hear I'll buy the Album. I believe loads of underground artists are making some money and getting a little more fame thanks to the mp3 share community.

When it comes to movies I couldn't care less, if movies wasn't released ages earlier in the USA I would probably go to the cinemas more often but when I can download a DVD Rip of a movie I want to see a month earlier than it's shown on the cinemas here in Sweden, it often ends that way.

And when it comes to Warez, I haven't paid a Dime for the Windows versions I'm using at home, and I have a Flash cart for my GBA, but I still try to support the software which I think deserves it, and have promised myself to buy the software I'm using for my AmigaOne, if I ever can afford one.

And sorry if my english isn't the best  :-o

[whabang]

Going after Kazaa is rediculous.
It's licence agreement frees them from blame if someone abuses their service.

MP3s are generally a good thing as it's an easy way to discover new music.
If I find some music that I like then I'll generally buy it. Nine times of ten, MP3s sounds like ####!
If I don't like it, well then I delete the file.
I got better use for my hard drive space than bad MP3s... :-)