The Race to Kill Kazaa

[whabang]

Going after Kazaa is rediculous.
It's licence agreement frees them from blame if someone abuses their service.

MP3s are generally a good thing as it's an easy way to discover new music.
If I find some music that I like then I'll generally buy it. Nine times of ten, MP3s sounds like ####!
If I don't like it, well then I delete the file.
I got better use for my hard drive space than bad MP3s... :-)

[amigamad]

I have no copied or ilegal amiga software but i do have pc stuff ive bought a lot of pc software only to find its crap or full of bugs wich need patches .beside whats  the point of having broadband if you just surf the net.Anyway i have adobe photoshop6 on pc and i hate it so thats why i  bought photogenics at £70.00 and arteffect wich cost £40.00

[masc]

I hope Kazaa somehow does get shutdown.  Amiga clients may be in development and once they have been released, Amiga software will start appearing on there.  This is a bad thing, right now amiga warez is only available to people who know where too look.

If Kazaa is available on the amiga, the average user will have easy access to warez.  Bad thing if you ask me.

Frankly, some of the excuses here remind me of the old thieves excuse: "Me nicking stuff doesn`t hurt anybody, they all have insurance".  

Its not as simple as that.

People say it wont hurt the big industry because they have millions.  But people forget that for every song you download, theres probably another thousand people doing the same.  So prices go up and companys have to develop annoying copy protection measures.

[jumpship]

I have to say that people complain about the reason Kazaa etc exsist is because of the price of CD's, videos and the like. "Why should I pay all that money for that CD?". If you think it is a rip off then DON'T BUY IT!! If people stopped buying the things then the industries would have to sit up and listen.

By downloading it you are giving them a reason to hike up prices even more in an attempt to "cover thier costs". I dislike piracy in any form, but I can't say that I have never done it. The only time I would consider it is when you have to have something in order to use an everyday appliance, and it is well over priced (read Microsoft and Windows there, oh and MS Office too).

In my defence I have always brought all my computer games and all my MP3s (bar one or two that I can't find anyother way) are from CDs which I own.

I do agree that the entertainment industries have brought this down on themselves, but are we (the consumer) just as much to blame?

[Glaucus]

I don't know about the piracy of music or movies but kazaa provides at least one essential service: the distribution of PORN!  It's amazing what you can find on Kazaa! :-)

Although I admit I have a few mp3's off Kazaa I'm not a fan of mp3's in general because I'm a bit of a snob and like to listen to my music on my high-end system without the thought of all that lossy compression going on... which basically means you could count the number of mp3's I "stole" on your fingers.

From a moral point of view, well, I like to think that I have no morals, however I do find a particular value in buying the things that I like.  I think that value is that people who steel look cheap and I don't like to look cheap.  Weird but true.

  - Mike

[George]

RIGHT!!
People are bitchin' about people comin' up with crappy excuses, so fine then...
I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE COMPANIES! IT'S THERE, IT'S FREE, I'LL TAKE IT!
Hope your flamin' happy now!  :-x

Human conscience is a complex thing. In everyones mind there is, if you like, THE LAW, and 'the law'.

THE LAW is the things that we know full well are blatently morally wrong and we perceive as 'evil if you will. Like, for most people, murder, rape, etc

'the law' are the things which although illegal, we do not perceive as morally wrong or evil. Like borrowing a CD off a mate, listenin to it, liking it and thinkin "damn, no cash at the mo, gonna have to wait ages to get this" but then popping it in your CD burner and running of a copy with the thought "ah, it's only 1 copy, who's it gonna hurt". Doesn't necessarily make it any more legal, but hey, thats how humans work, so deal with it!

To be quite frank, I don't want Kazaa shut down. It has free stuff, I like free stuff. (hope you whingers are happy. Oh and in case you hadn't guessed, yes I have a grudge against you)
Kazaa has advantages. I can dump a load of savegames there, and all my mates can download, saves me firing off 5-10 e-mails.

The reason with overpriced software, etc stands in my opinion. People say well don't buy it from the overpricing companies then. What the hell! They *ALL* overprice, so what are we supposed to do?

But anyway, i've let off some steam, and fel better. Thankyou for listening, all flames welcome, have a nice day :-)

[createcoms]

@WarPiper
Its faggots like yourself that put me off continued development of PCI card drivers and amiga software design.  Im a developer and I pirate PC software because - like I said, Im a man of double standards which means that I want to destroy the PC software industry and build up/protect the amiga one.

To start making it personal by referring to my anatomy - especially when you dont know about my health issues shows you fail to consider what comes out OF YOUR TRAP.  

And because Im such an asshole I should now include code in my software that formats the RDB if the user ever posts under the name Warpipe.  Now if you are so lame to not see the sarcasm then I hope like hell you leave the community because its self loving ####wits like yourself which are the REAL destroyers of our world.

[amigau]

I agree that it is the reponsibility of the user to NOT use pirated software, and the while the existence of programs like Kazaa (and DeCSS, etc.) make pirating far easier and in some cases, simply possible, the world is better off for having them than not.

For example, when music CDs came out in the 80s record companies reaped significant profits off them, the margin on those things (especially now since the plants were paid for many years ago, I'm sure) has to be at least 1000%, even after paying the rock star and production costs (likely equal to or less than what McD's pays to make paper cups for Coke).  

What is interesting now is watching the record companies attempt to protect their exorbitant profiteering, just like Micro$oft, just like pharmaceutical companies - in short, if there's a way to make serious money, there's a way to funnel it to politicians to preserve the status quo, no?  

Programs like DeCSS and Kazaa force them to consider alternatives that they otherwise would ignore, to the detriment of the consumer.  And ideally (remains to be seen) it makes politicians take the side of the little guy when they see the greed behind such business practices.

kevin orme
amiga university
www.amigau.com

[lempkee]

here is the best point i can come up with why everyone is like this:

1 Extra copy SOLD on AMIGA = IMPORTANT
1 Extra Copy Pirated on PC = Who will notice it?

anyway i must share with you that the PC area aint like it once was,
the stats for norway are riddiculous low compared to ... 2 years ago (amounts of sold software)

The Mac Area is the same as it has been since 1995, LOW!

the Amiga market in norway , hmmm is there any?? we have 1 shop and they only ORDER it if we order it first (ie its cheaper if we buy directly) , 4 years ago the market was little , 10 years ago it was HUMONGOUS!

conclusion..., even tou some formats gain more and more users they still sell worser and still has to OVERPRICE titles but i know why they overprice, as they are greedy and too many people needs money out of it.

I still remeber that the cd32 offered REALLY cheap games (before it was launched) as it was on a cd medium and didnt require big boxes etc, well what happened??

Alot of people on PC Pirate, and they dont buy if they like either and besides there is like millions of demos out there so infact if it was the intention to buy before u try THEN GET THE DAMN demos,
people still make games that is unplayable if you pirate (ut2003 etc) but thats only something the developer thinks! or???


and to thoose who have an excuse of beeing collector maniacs, well HAH! ever considered what a collector maniac does??  1. he encourage others to do the same. 2. he puts out lists of the dats so that other can help him or join in. a good example here is TOSEC , and tosec have stuff in their dats which are NEW and they dont even care,  impossible to find the files?? lol ,check any TOSEC channel or kazaa....AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

to hell with double morals , KILL IT ALL IF YOU LIKE  !! and for godsake support what you like (ie if its PC or AMIGA or PS2 or GC or DC or GBA or MAC ,as long as you LIKE it then BUY IT!

sorry...i am kinda upset here but 1 thing is for sure people with no money dont buy, and 99% of the people who is pirates is broke people or collector maniacs.

[System]

Referring back to the article itself, I couldn't agree more with the notion that the kneejerk reaction against Kazaa and the technology behind it is purely based on fear.

The business model that these large scale industries are based on works by having a chokehold on the 'product' right from it's conception through to any possible use the customer might make of said product.

This goes up in smoke when the product ceases to be a neat physical package and becomes a large glob of binary freely distributable through a variety of means (means which have been relentlessly flogged to the public by big business - "you simply must have a PC with CD burner, you must be internet ready.....").

When the RIAA and it's associates should be wising up to the possibilities of a more dynamic, freeform environment to operate in, they are instead throwing money into the process of doing the only thing it knows how to do - bury it's rivals by force of high marketing spend (which won't work because there is no hiding the fact that they are providing an  increasingly obsolete service) or by litigation. The idea of the litigation approach has served them well in the past as it can not only take out a 'ringleader' but will send a warning to others - that is the useful thing about legal precedents.

If I can close my ramble with a recommendation, I would advise all to Neal Stephenson's 'In The Beginning Was The Command Line' which makes some interesting points about software licensing.

[Mickey]

@createcoms

 Nice language and attitude you moron. :whack:

 @ WarPiper

 Agreed.  ;-)

[System]

Thats why he got banned from the NZ Amiga Users Mailing list! He tends to go phyco like that.

[WarPiper]

@ createcoms

To start making it personal by referring to my anatomy - especially when you dont know about my health issues shows you fail to consider what comes out OF YOUR TRAP.

umm...  ...so what part of you anatomy did I refer to that insulted your state of health?  I know I said that I think your talking through your ass, but I did not mean literally!

Im a developer and I pirate PC software

Can you read what you type, really, what kind of developer are you that thinks its ok to steal any type of code/program/media

I want to destroy the PC software industry and build up/protect the amiga one.

1. Its never gonna happen
2. I guess your never gonna gain money from the pc platform
3. I guess you not much of a developer, but more of a hack

Its faggots like yourself that put me off continued development of PCI card drivers and amiga software design.

what? you dont think that anybody is going to de-Hex your code and probably steal or alter it, if you stop development for the amiga then what platform will you go to next, then what, it wont happen on that other platform?

if anyone is a faggot pal, its got to be you, I at least admit that I am a pirate, while you only admit that you are a selective pirate (humm, selective pirate even sounds kinda faggish)

I should now include code in my software that formats the RDB

watch what you say, some people wont even come close to a driver or any software if there is even a slight hint of possible corruption, that means wasted time, no money, and driver ends up on aminet

its self loving ####wits like yourself which are the REAL destroyers of our world.

Dont worry, I happen to think your in a world all of your own

[WarPiper]

@ createcoms

Pirating amiga software isnt good, and thankfully I have found none on it (I look for amiga warez to report the peeps to AINC).

Umm...  ...were you the type of kid that everybody use to beat up in school? (now thats getting personal)

[odin]

@createcoms:

(I look for amiga warez to report the peeps to AINC)

What to you report to AInc then?

"Oh look at this screenshot! 'Kazaaliteuser' is sharing a Kick 3.0 ROM!" ? ;-)

[createcoms]

@sbeehre
I got banned cuz I told every1 about Grahams exposure on national television about being a total lame arss computer store owner - and so he banned me out of spite.

Care to give me your address?  My brother lives in hamilton and Id like to send him round to your house to BASH YOUR ####IN FACE IN