Amiga.org welcomes Elbox as an advertiser.

[Wilse]

Hi Wayne,

> I am questioning

Oops - you beat me to it.

[System]

So amiga.org wants to publicly ally themselves with proven distributors of malicious code. Maybe instead of throwing money at Amiga.org to get biased coverage, Elbox could hire an ethics consultant instead.

[dammy]

oster: Wayne Date: 2003/1/10 11:13:50

Quote:
I am questioning Wayne's comments about having to generate funds for Amiga.org.
Two questions:

First, how can you possibly be confused? We are hosted by Amiga Inc on a spare machine that we pretty much had to beef up and get working. Being hosted by Amiga Inc is fine and greatly appreciated, but I personally feel it is creating a bit of a conflict of interest in itself. Remember, Amiga.org does not, nor has it ever belonged to Amiga Inc and they do not hold the only right to decide whether or not it continues. You also have to consider the effort and interest of the people involved in running it.

Your earlier statements of:

Posted : 2003/1/8 16:45



It is rude, and it is not welcomed here. They are supporting this site and.... by the way.... one of the only reasons left why you have a site to come and bitch at.

And also:

Posted : 2003/1/8 17:40



I guess I was talking to the wall then. There is a difference between speaking an opinion and puposely trying to harm the business of a company which is helping this site to survive.

Your eluding to that it's taking $ to run Amiga.org, in the present tense.  I do completely agree with you that Amiga.org needs stand independent of Amiga Inc (you have no idea how strongly I agree with you) and I understand the startup cost of starting with a remote host.  I would be the last person to critize your efforts to generate some funds for improvement (ie independent hosting) for Amiga.org.  I applaud your efforts.

However; I do find it somewhat uncomfortable on one of your chosen advertisers and your statements on Amiga.org's current funding needs when it's actually a future need.

Secondly.... nevermind. I simply don't understand how you (or anyone) can object to my soliciting donations to help us keep running this site. Hosting is not the only cost associated with amiga.org. It never has been.

Maybe, maybe not.  Since 1993, I've run a BBS, a BBS/UUCP, BBS/UUCP/ML (Amiga500 frankenstien I tell ya) and for over the first year of UUCP, I had to call from FL to WA for a daily UUCP account feed.  Then there was the BBS updates, base phoneline bills and then eventually switched to broadband.  Yeah, I think I may have a rough idea on what your shelling out in none host related expenses for Amiga.org.  

I do not think it's the mear fact of advertisers, it's the ethics associated with the advertisers and how it does or does not taint your web service that generates this debate.  If it was put up for your users to decide on either throwing a $10 via PayPal or seeing Elbox as Amiga.org's advertiser, I rather do a $10 spot knowning I did a good thing .  I know, a single $10 won't help compared to revenues generated by Elbox's add.  However; there maybe enough of us in total to equal Elbox's cash.

Dammy

[System]

So there is one standard for Elbox, and another standard for Pegasos/MorphOS!? MorphOS is not necessarily in "direct" competition with AmigaOS anyway - both are compatible to a large extent, therefore both will grow the market for AmigaOS applications.

"If Elbox is guilty of anything, that has yet to be proven."

Obviously you did not see the disassembly that was posted to ANN? Or, if you don't believe, you could disassemble it yourself, if competent to do so. The malicious code IS there, Elbox have admitted it. Trying to pretend it is NOT there under such circumstances is ignoring the truth.