Amiga now charter partner of Microsoft's Mobility Partner Advisory Council

[System]

The writing has been on the wall for a very long time, but many have just refused to see it, in desperate hopes that Amiga would actually become Amiga again.  All it has become, it seems, is MSAmiga, Inc with a bunch of boneheads at the helm!

Wayne is right for the most part.  The execs have only used the name and the users for further gain and to entice programmers in enough to get their sad little four games to market.  Everyone should have realized when AmigaAnywhere became M$ only there was a problem, heck probably even sooner than that!  Bill and crew have made one bonehead decision after another and everyone there have followed him like sheep going to a slaughter!

The one part I can't really agree with Wayne on is Gary Peake, as I have not heard much substance or truth out of his ramblings anytime!  Sorry Wayne, the things I have seen, heard and the responses I have gotten from pointed questions I have asked Gary just show his lack of truthfulness and respect towards others.  YMMV

The year goes out sadly for the Amiga loyalists, but hopefully with the thought that everyone at least knows the truth about Amiga Inc. now.

 :-(

[Paul_Gadd]

but hopefully with the thought that everyone at least knows the truth about Amiga Inc.

To many die hards think everything Amiga inc tells them if the total truth, the blind leading the blind,

2002 is nearly over, lets see what lies, scams and constant bullshitting they will do in the new year.

[R2D2]

Why don't we all just wait another year and see what's going to happen? I mean that's what we Amiga users are good at. I personally haven't lost my hope yet. If the situation gets better that's great, but if it doesn't and everything fails, I'll still be an Amiga user. Maybe very frustrated one, but still an Amiga user. I've been an Amiga user as long as I can remember and nothing will change that! Someday it may turn out to be just a retrohobby, but only time will tell what's going to happen. Let's not fight and throw insults here, after all, we're all Amigans aren't we..?  :-)

[Orgin]

@L8-X

> it`s becoming more like ANN.LU

Spot on. Sadly Wayne is the one riding the front horse on the crusade to get amiga.org into the same state as Ann.lu.

Wonder where I should go when this site is totally ruined.

/Björn

[Wilse]

Well, Hullo there folks!

Sure is nice to see y'all in the festive spirit.  :-P

My tuppence worth: If it gives 'em cash, it can't be all bad.

I'm off to "Talk About" before this thread depresses me too much.........

[fx]

What bothers me much is all Amiga-negative people's love for Windows, I have 4 PC's, 3 of them running Windows and one running Linux. I must say Windows is really stable on all my computers, far more stable than my Amiga 4000 ever was, but the OS in itself is disguisting (yes even the NT variants). What have they done? It eats memory like nothing else, if you insert a piece of hardware and install the driver and the hardware still don't work, what can you do, fiddle with the BIOS a little but then you'
re f**cked. Who came up with the brilliant idea for the registry? The most stupid thing in a OS ever, and the registry is of course loaded into memory (atleast I think so) and every information in the registry is repeated 2 or more times.

And about Linux, I don't think Linux is hard, it's just annoying that lots of programs need to be compiled but that's getting better over time. It really takes long to set up a good working Linux workstation that behaves the way you want it to, but when you're done it was well worth it.

What I like about the Amiga is the simple structure of the OS, you know what almost every library on your computer does, since they have sensible names, you can clean up your ETC: directory manually or even assign it to a HD instead of RAM: every time. About software on the miggy, most software I want to use exists, you maybe don't get it bundled with the OS but I like that, I want to install the programs I use myself and not be forced to have Paint, Calc, IExplore, Notepad, Outlook Express and some useless Pinball game installed.

And why are people complaining about the AmigaONE board, the PPC is a great architecture, far better than the x86. X86 might be faster at the moment, but since the x86 is to be replaced soon by 64bit processors (they are, right?) and IBM is working hard on making the PPC better, I think PPC is the way to go.

The Amiga One maybe ain't that cheap but I don't think it's overpriced. It's the PC's that are underpriced.

And for what Amiga Inc. does I really doesn't care, if they screw the Amiga I either get a Pegasos or a Mac.

Hmm, I have never written so much in a post before, might be babbling and wrong in some statements, and sorry is my english bad  :-D .

[L8-X]

@Paul_gadd

I don`t think they are lieing to us, sure they have had to change track more than once, but that is how businesses survive, adapting when needed, and as for not telling us everything they do.....hell if I was Bill I wouldn`t tell this community jack s**t either as people like you are NEVER satisfied, never happy unless they`re complaining.

[Wilse]

@fz & L8-X:

Well said.

[Paul_Gadd]

@L8-X

I don`t think they are lieing to us,

Well WTF would you call that coupon scam?

I wish i could view Amiga inc as the best thing since sliced bread like you but sadly i only see them as a bunch of cowboys who are so far up microsofts ass it is pathetic.

[Wilse]

@Paul_Gadd:

Well WTF would you call that coupon scam?

Apart from Gadget, has anyone here actually received an A1 and subsequently asked A.inc to redeem their coupon?

Once I get my A1, I'll ask for my fifty bux. If they fanny me about, I'll let you guys know and you can all flame happily without me defending them. Until then, I can't really say they've lied about it.

[Kronos]

@Wilse

How long has it been since the "club" started ?
Wasn't there talk about A1/OS4 being "really close now"  ?

For me that implied "currently in final betatesting, will be out in 2
months max". Go back and read what the believers back than said.

Sofar they haven't even been able to send out a bunch of t-shirts,
which they promised would be out there within days.

So there is no question if they lied, one could only argue about the
scope of the lie.

[System]

You know?  Sometimes it's difficult to seperate what's best from what feels right.  After having slept on this subject for a night, I cannot apologize for what's been said.  I meant it very deeply.  I do however feel the need to apologize for how it was said.  

As usual where emotions are evoked, I have gone too far and made some comments which were off-the-mark.  Initially I had no intentions to purposely insult people, but after sleeping on it, I realized that my emotions were simply caught up in the chase and I had said a few things which -- in retrospect -- I should not have said, specifically comments such as McEwen needing a satin pillow for Christmas.

Some of these guys (Amiga Inc) have really been my friends in the past, I just truly do not currently agree with their path and it's sometimes kind of painful to realize what could have been.  I am bitterly disappointed that AI is hitting the three year mark and have zero to show for it except a motherboard that I don't want and an updated OS with no software support.

In the past, when it mattered and the Amiga community could have been not only salvaged but highly influential, I had even literally begged them to work pro-bono (free) to organize their public relations which they STILL desperately need.  (trust me, I was much more enthusiastic and upbeat back then --- remember when some here hated me because I was a cheerleader?)

I'm by far not the only one and if Amiga would have accepted our offers, one cannot help but believe that both Amiga Inc and the community would have been FAR better off today.  This is why I do not buy the bullshit about how "the economy is to blame".  

When you have 50 highly-qualified people who know their stuff and know this community who're willing to *donate* time and effort to your project, by God YOU TAKE IT.  They didn't.  This is why they find theirselves in a non-winning position today with this community, which is why in respect to that, I have little pity for them

But considering that I did not intend to personally insult anyone, I am going back to edit my comments to remove such insults from this discussion as it has no place here.  Bill has my apologies for getting slightly out of camber in my now-edited remarks.

[Wilse]

@Kronos:

> How long has it been since the "club" started ?

What's that got to do with it?

> Wasn't there talk about A1/OS4 being "really close now" ?

Yes. There still is. Depends on your definition of "close".  :-)

> For me that implied "currently in final betatesting,
> will be out in 2 months max".

Yes, for *you* it implied that but then *you* didn't join, did you?
 Hang on, *you* didn't believe it anymore then than you do now. You're just stirring sh*t, as per...
 ;-)

> Sofar they haven't even been able to send out a
> bunch of t-shirts, which they promised would be out there within days.

I'll grant you they've made an arse of that. :roll:

> So there is no question if they lied, one could
> only argue about the scope of the lie.

Fair enough but I was talking specifically about not being able to claim my $50 dollars back, *after* I get my A1.
Just to say they lied, is more or less to say they exist, i.e. show me a company involved in this community who you can honestly say have never "lied".

[Tomas]

One of them is that Amiga is a LOT closer to Microsoft than Bill McEwen wants to admit and that they have either already been bought out by Microsoft, or will within a year. So far, looks like I'm right on schedule.

Sadly i have to agree on that  :-(

[kostas]

@ Wayne
I have to say that you see all the things in black colour.
I just don't believe that everything is wrong. EVERYTHING?

[System]

@kostas

Everything.  Name one thing that is right?  One single thing that cannot be seen as a negative.