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Finally, back to CES!
« on: December 20, 2002, 01:02:32 PM »
Genesi/bplan/Thendic:

CES marks the dawn of new era; the giant Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas will see for the first time in SEVEN years a new platform with a new OS presented to the public.  Finally, a landmark event for our community and a landmark platform!

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Source: www.ann.lu

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2002, 01:57:11 PM »
I see Bill buck is posting announcments to forums like ann.lu again, i guess not enough people bother to visit the morphos site....

The guy is a prick, I'm not going to justify why (it's been done before), some people just are....
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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2002, 03:39:14 PM »
@SkyRaker

I have two replies:
1. Yeah, too bad, he is communicating !
2. So ?
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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2002, 05:37:37 PM »
I consider a move to take anything with Amiga roots to the CES a major
step foreward for the entire community.  This is a major trade-show,
and can do nothing but good for all of us.
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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2002, 05:50:18 PM »
Yeah, but... with him as a frontman?  Would that help or hurt Amiga overall?

That's kinda like saying the head guy for Quark is a great liason with the Macintosh community.

http://www.macedition.com/nmr/nmr_20021126.php
 

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2002, 06:06:01 PM »
http://www.amigamccc.org/journal/0102bill.htm

In Jan. 2001, Mr Bill McEwen said that although Amiga Inc did not show its products on CES 2001, but several Set Top Box (STB) vendors that use AmigaDE will show their products.

Unfortunately the STB (from NOKIA) NEVER reached the market, because of NOKIA's financial problem.

Many products featured on CES are prototypes and NEVER reached the market. Will Thendic product actually reach the market?
 

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2002, 07:02:35 PM »
At least they are reaching CES ..  :-)

I hope they have invented something clever for that happening, somehow I don't belive that Pegasos build in Microwave ain't going to be quite  enough to caught attention.
 

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2002, 07:59:01 PM »
@skyraker:

Since you are the one making such as convincing as well-investigated statements (about the Pegasos) like "The fact that it's French stops me buying it." (http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43621), I think everybody will easily be able to get an idea about you and the person you're calling a prick...
 

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2002, 12:43:44 PM »
Oh dear.
Let's hope they don't make the Amiga connection too clear.
It would be pretty bad for AmigaOS to be associated with this at the show. MorphOS is still some time away from being ready for prime time :((

Buck: If you're reading this - please at least don't mention Amiga too much while you're there, ok?
 

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2002, 03:43:21 PM »
Nice FUD Trezzer.  Finally, after Great Spirit knows how many years anything Amiga related is seen at a major American electronics show, you FUD the article.  Just for you, I hope they have a big, no, make that BIG poster of a AmigaDE logo with the stamp of "Coming Soon!" over it.

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2002, 04:50:22 PM »
Hi Trezzer, we are reading this, and the other threads too.  It helps us understand things.  We appreciate the "diamonds" we find in the "rough" and we benefit greatly from information we gather on these boards.  

You are wrong about something:  we are ready for "prime time."  That is why we are going to CES.  The Pegasos is a great platform.  Sure, we have big plans for MorphOS and we know we have a way to go to get it where it needs to be, but it is pretty good now too.  Have you tried it lately?  You must know that the Pegasos is not just about MorphOS and Amiga applications and software.  It is about providing an opportunity to create and innovate.  It is about having a platform that can do new things and old things in better ways.

We have organized LinuxPPC Development Teams for Debian and Gentoo, and are putting together development agreements to bring other operating systems to the platform including OpenBeOS, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and NewOS.  The SuSE guys have had a Pegasos for months.  We are also very close to the Mac-on-Linux folks, who have participated in two public presentations with us and are even willing to join us at CES.  The idea is to bring innovative and capable Developers to the platform and give them the support and freedom to be creative.  These are "niche" markets, but rich in talent (and many came from the Amiga Community originally before they went on to these other "alternative" operating systems).  With these smart people working with us we will have the chance to make the next step.

Participating in CES or Comdex is no small feat.  You go for one of two reasons -- exposure and new relationships -- both lead to the promotion and sale of your product.  We are focused on new markets and opportunities, but we will clue you in on some of our thinking...

We have leveaged the Amiga market and community to help us launched the Pegasos and MorphOS.  Why not?  We have been around this community for a while, had relationships here and have more now, and saw the potential.   Genesi really has a chance to do something, as we have not only great intellectual property (hardware and software), but many of the best people from this Community excited and working with us or assisting us as they can.  

The mass computer market is increasing oriented on value and less on the speed of the CPU or the size of the memory.  People do things with computers and "most" people do not need what is found on the "high end."  That should be where the Pegasos, MorphOS, and whatever else should fit in.  People want something that is easy to work with and does what they want when they want it to do it.  Computing should be about making people's lives more convenient, or more interesting or more fun.  In the ultimate assessment computers need to do what people want them to do (and quickly!).  We think we *are* finding the Developers we need to help us create such a platform.

We have a good group here in Europe that grows weekly.  Now, we are starting to build a team in the US and Canada.  For example, we will be working closely with groups like the Phoenix Developer Consortium.  Have you seen www.pegasos-usa.com?  This site is just a model that will continue to improve and become part of a package to our "franchised" distributors.  In the meanwhile, www.pegasos.com.au is up too and we will be heading to Sydney in May for the Australian version of CeBIT (might as well slip that in here too).

The Pegasos OpenFirmware is also attracting plenty of hardware developers.  Our favorite project currently is a solar powered power supply for the eclipsis.  It is just a "hobby" project for a "crazy" guy, but that is how "big things" get started.

So, sorry to tell you this Trezzer, but for some folks we are "Amiga" too.  With every post we make we receive at least a few emails that are detailed, helpful, and informative.  Plus, we get plenty of "advice" and many times it is quite valuable.  You should know there is a large, silent majority in this Community who rarely post, but contribute in other ways.  We appreciate very much all the support we get.

That is the last post for now...Happy Holidays everyone!  Please come say hello to us at CES.  We will be in Booth #29101.

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R&B  :-D

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2002, 05:03:09 PM »
MorphOS sux
 

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2002, 07:56:08 PM »
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Nice FUD Trezzer.

FUD means Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.

None of that has anything to do with what I wrote.
FUD would be saying something like "our competitor's machines will not work without our chip".
 

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2002, 08:09:16 PM »
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You are wrong about something: we are ready for "prime time." That is why we are going to CES. The Pegasos is a great platform. Sure, we have big plans for MorphOS and we know we have a way to go to get it where it needs to be, but it is pretty good now too. Have you tried it lately?


Yes. You were there and we talked. That's why I'm asking you.
MorphOS suffers from terrible performance during high cpu load. Well, since it seems you'll be leeching off the Amiga name there, at least make it look good by not installing applications that will crash the machines - like they did several times in the comparatively short period of time when I was watching them at WoA SE.

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You must know that the Pegasos is not just about MorphOS and Amiga applications and software. It is about providing an opportunity to create and innovate. It is about having a platform that can do new things and old things in better ways.


Sorry. I am highly immune to marketing ^_^.
If you could actually give an example of how it does "old things in better ways" or how it can do "new things"...

I'm sorry, but I know enough about MorphOS to not get exited. You'll need one hell of an effort to get me to the other side of the road. I do doubt though, that you could ever get me excited enough to develop for you. If MorphOS should make it and AmigaOS not, I think I'd rather just throw the towel in the ring and use OS X instead.

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So, sorry to tell you this Trezzer, but for some folks we are "Amiga" too.

No. You're leeching off the Amiga name. There's a difference. You're as much "Amiga" as Amithlon. If H&P had paid Amiga Inc. for their use of Amiga IP I'd say you were less "Amiga" than Amithlon. Heck, Amiga Forever is more "Amiga" than MorphOS.

MorphOS - legacy application support aside - is so far no more than vapor. If your product truly is as great as you claim, why not prove it on your own terms, instead of running Amiga applications and recompiled Amiga applications.

BeOS was more Amiga-ish to me than MorphOS (especially in the way it *feels*) even though it didn't support Amiga applications. Even though BeOS was often called "son of AmigaOS" Be never had illusions of grandeur and tried to make it on their own terms. They failed, but hey, that's how it goes sometimes...

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Computing should be about making people's lives more convenient, or more interesting or more fun.

That's what my Amiga has done for me for the last 16 years, which is one of the reasons why I'm fighting FOR Amiga and against division - a division which Genesis (whether you want to or not) will bring with you by going your own way.

No-one can tell the future, but I can say as much as MorphOS and Genesi bring cracks to the already unsafe roads where AmigaOS has to go in the next years to make it outside of this community.

If you really wanted to do something for Amiga, why didn't you put your money where your mouth is back in the VisCorp days? You could have bought AmigaOS, but either chickened out or failed to raise the money for it.

Oh.. btw.: sponsoring football and military?.... c'mon!
 

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Re: Finally, back to CES!
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2002, 08:19:41 PM »
Hello,

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MorphOS sux


The Ring of Power influence you and make you think badly (Just like Gollum/Smeagol :) ). Try to resist for the safety of our community :)

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