Amithlon/Berniethlon development mothballed

[System]

Yeah, whatever.

I'm heading on over to distributers websites now.
And whoever is selling Amithlon right now will never see my buisness again.

If I have to buy AmigaOne and OS4 straight from Amiga Inc. and Eyetech, that's what I will do.

Today's the day to do something about all of this.
I, for one am not going to sit back and watch junk like this happen anymore!

Bye Bye Softhut.com
Bye Bye Compuquick
Bye Bye anyone else who does not stop distribution of Amithlon XL.

Softhut and Compuquick...
I'm letting you know right now!!!

If you do not stop distribution of Amithlon XL, I will never darken your door as a customer again.

And I'm serious.

[bhoggett]

@Targhan

1. Amiga Inc. sends a threat to Bernie.

2. Bernie, to cover his tail, informs H&P

3. H&P tells Bernie not to worry about it (they believe they have a
legitimate licence).

4. Bernie worries about it.

5. Bernie pulls the plug with H&P

Not quite right:

1. Amiga Inc tell H&P to stop.

2. H&P ignore them.

3. Amiga Inc tell Bernie the product is illegal and that action may follow. No direct threat against Bernie is made.

4. Bernie requests proof of licensing from H&P.

5. H&P refuse to show proof, saying "don't worry about it".

6. Bernie waits for Amiga Inc to make joint statement.

7. Amiga Inc seem reluctant to act.

8. Bernie decides he must act on his own.

the rest from 6 to 10 is about right, though there's a lot of c##p between 9 and 10 that really brought this on.

Time for an avatar change.   :-(

[T_Bone]

> Bye Bye Softhut.com
> Bye Bye Compuquick
> Bye Bye anyone else who does not stop
> distribution of Amithlon XL.

here here.

We're militant, we have money to spend, and we're pissed off.

[Targhan]

"not quite right"

Yes, you make valid points.  However, I think the rift between
Amiga/H&P probably started earlier over OS4.  I think the only
solution was for a contract change between H&P/Bernie that would
protect Bernie from legal action.  Then, the war would have been
contained to Amiga/H&P.  Then again, hindsight is 20/20.  Can we go
sock all of these folks a good one?

For some other's postings..  I am supposed to discontinue use of
Amithlon, Elbox products, bPlay, EyeTech, and Amiga products... Uhm,
let's see here, NO.  I may not agree with everyone's business
practices, but I refuse to let those practices destroy my little part
in this community.  I enjoy the AmigaOS, and I enjoy the company--even
the belligerant Amigans!

[L8-X]

Sad day indeed. :-(

Bernie if your reading this then good luck with the future.

[System]

This is the letter that has been sent to Softhut.com
It appears that compuquick cannot be reached by email.
That's not my problem.

Let it be known starting December 5th, 2002.
If you do not stop distributing a product called Amithlon or AmigaXL, I will never darken your door again as a customer.

AmigaOne and Amiga OS4 will soon be out, and I will be looking for someone to buy this product from.
If you do not stop distribution of Amithlon and AmigaXL, you will never again receive my services as a customer.

You have been served.

Brad Ray


If you are truly upset about the actions of Haage and Partner, and whoever else is involved, you will show it with your pocketbook.

If you are just full of a bunch of talk, then don't stand up for what is right.
It is your own personal decision.

As for me...
I have had enough of Haage and Partner.
I will never consider buying the project called "Pegasos", or the MorphOS.

I repeat...
You people will never, ever see any of my money if you do not make things right       NOW!!!

Please everyone...
Start emailing these people and let them know that you will not support them if they continue to sell these products.
And also email Haage and Partner and let them know the same.

It's up to us.
And we must act now!!!

[bhoggett]

@Targhan

However, I think the rift between Amiga/H&P probably started earlier over OS4.

No, it started earlier than that, probably as an indirect result of the extremely shady deal between Amiga's previous owners (in the person of Petro most likely) and H&P. Remember, Amiga Inc have never received any license payments for AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9, and while the deal surrounding 3.5 falls under the previous regime, it is hard to see how H&P think they should not pay licensing fees for OS 3.9.

I think the only solution was for a contract change between H&P/Bernie that would protect Bernie from legal action. Then, the war would have been contained to Amiga/H&P.

'fraid not. The Amiga Inc licensing thing was just the catalyst. Bernie's dispute with H&P is about the latter's failure to carry out their contractual obligations, and goes a lot deeper than the licensing issue. I have no doubt more details will appear on Bernie's "diary" as the month progresses.

I may not agree with everyone's business
practices, but I refuse to let those practices destroy my little part in this community.

Up to you. Of course, refusal to take any sort of action against certain people will probably be seen by those people as full endorsement for their actions and encouragement that they should continue. The reason the Amiga community is so rife with corruption and chicanery is because too many people are prepared to turn a blind eye due to some misguided sense of protectionism.

[System]

I also just sent an email to Haage and Partner telling them the same.

[Skyraker]

@mountainmyst

I also just sent an email to Haage and Partner telling them the same.

I think you're being somewhat childish in your attitude, this kind of hysterical abuse towards distros gives respectable and I might add mature Amiga users a bad reputation.

I understand people are rightly irritated and angry about this issue, but thats no excuse for throwing your pacifier out the pram and having a tantrum, sending complete bollocks to amiga distributers....

For christs sake man, it's hard enough to keep these people on board with us , without pre pubescants like yourself making a bad situation even worse...

And as for all this Bill rulez crap.... Christ on a ####ing bike... either youre a hormonaly challenged teenager or just 'challenged'

sorry to get abusive folks, but as a community on a bad day, we really dont want to burn our bridges.

Regards

SKyraker.

[System]

I think you're being somewhat childish in your attitude, this kind of hysterical abuse towards distros gives respectable and I might add mature Amiga users a bad reputation.

Yeah, I guess you're right.
Let Haage and Partner nail Bernie to the wall.

Let's just sit back and watch it happen.

I guess I was acting immature, and childish.

Please...
Forgive me.

But then again, it is my right as a citizen of the world to stand up for what is right, and stand against what is wrong.

But then again, I guess that's just wishful thinking too, huh.

You're right.

You are so much smarter than I am.

We'll just do it your way.

Let's just watch Bernie burn.


But not me.
I will keep to my promise.

I've had enough.
and I personally will do what I have to do to help Bernie.

My money stays in my pocket until I can buy from a company who actually has a heart.

That's my right fellow.

That's the way it will stay.

Call me childish if you like, but at least I have the cotton pickin backbone to stand up and do something.

[ne_one]

@bhoggett

A sad day indeed.

From Bernie's letter it appears that he's pulling the plug on Amithlon, but I get the impression that he's likely pulling the plug on a larger scale. If so, this will be a tremendous loss.

[bhoggett]

Just to put in a good word for the UK distributors, as far as I'm aware most of them stopped stocking the item when the controversy originally surfaced. I had a number of people complaining they could no longer source it anywhere locally after that.

Kudos to all those distributors who took a stand. I understand the economic argument made in this thread, but as long as no one is prepared to stand up for what is right, this sort of rubbish will continue.

When you have a garden full of weeds, what do you do? You pull them out, even if that only leaves you with bare soil, so that your own plants may eventually germinate and grow. Well, if we don't stop the Amiga weeds from killing off the genuine developers, will be garden be worth having?

[System]

Amen.

Wisely thought out.

Thanks.

[bhoggett]

@ne_one

From Bernie's letter it appears that he's pulling the plug on Amithlon, but I get the impression that he's likely pulling the plug on a larger scale. If so, this will be a tremendous loss.

Certainly, I believe Bernie has no intention of remaining in the Amiga market at all. After all that's happened, would you?  He's a talented programmer, who will do much better for himself by focusing that talent elsewhere.

[The_Editor]

A sad day indeed.

Bernie,  go take your girlfriend to meet your folks. I bet their really looking forward to meeting your "Sheila" !!

When you return "Down Under" again,  perhaps the waters will have calmed and you can take stock once again of your feelings towards coding for Amigas.

Perhaps you may (I hope) code some drivers and/or edit software for firewire cards for AmigaOne??

If you do .... I'm a definate customer !!

Take care ...

Paul.

[Crumb]

:-(