MorphOS, Pegasos, PPC Operating Systems and other Platforms

[hnl_dk]

@Piru

Rose does not spread lies!!!

Can any of you (Piru & Kronos) find any info about features of MorphOS, or information about the Pegasos OpenFirmware???

I think not ;-)

So who should you attack, the open cool AmigaOS/AmigaOne projects ...
or the closed MorphOS/Pegasos projects???

AmigaOS/AmigaOne seems to be the most/only professional projects in this battle, and thats also what I'm going to buy!

[hnl_dk]

If you have not seen the Pegasos site yet, here it is :-D

Nice page, but still nothing about the OpenFirmware ;-)

[zacman]

>OF is in Forth. PPCBoot is in C.

SmartFirmware is written in Ansi C.

>We know nothing much about the Pegasos OF

Yeah sure... Why don't you just go to
http://www.codegen.com/ ?

[Piru]

The fact that Pegasos has the x86 emulation for the card initilization is *so frigging obvious* that it doesn't need to be advertised separately. Limiting your system to PPC-only cards would be more than stupid [oh, wasn't this one reason for the PPCBoot, too?].

And if you're missing some information you can always ask (correct people, not me;-)).

[redrumloa]

And if you're missing some information you can always ask (correct people, not me).

Huh? Who could I ask? Neko? R$? Not exactly approachable people :-o

[System]

Huh? Who could I ask? Neko? R$? Not exactly approachable people

I hate to swear but they really are just a bunch of arrogant f.ucks.  

And like anyones going to take R$ seriously after producing that bag of crapb ppc.library .

[olegil]

Is it so obvious?

Really? Just pointing to the codegen webpage doesn't actually help if the Pegasos actually has an x86 emulator in ROM. Because CodeGen's SmartFirmware doesn't. What kind of idiot theory about marketing is this? "The less we say the more we sell?". Ok, considering what Thendic usually DO say, there might be something valid in that. I'll buy the theory anyway, ok?  :-P

[anarchic_teapot]

The fact that Pegasos has the x86 emulation for the card initilization is *so frigging obvious* that it doesn't need to be advertised separately.

If it were frigging obvious, we wouldn't be asking the question. And the question becomes even more pertinent when someone says 'Like Apple'. Apple firmware doesn't have this function, hence the need for special self-initialising graphics cards.

Limiting your system to PPC-only cards would be more than stupid [oh, wasn't this one reason for the PPCBoot, too?].

Compatibility problems were one reason PPCBoot was chosen over the Softex OF, and this is public knowledge. Nice try at a snide remark; pity it's so wide of the mark it just makes you look ridiculous.

[hnl_dk]

Poster: Kronos Date: 2002/10/22 15:29:41

@teapot

Whats the problem ?

It DOES run with "x86"-Radeons.
It DOES run with "x86"-Voodoos.
It DOES run with "x86"-SIS.

That's all that is needed as it is all what is supported by CGX_5
and even more than supported by P96 in the forseeable future.

So again what is your problem with that x86-emu ??

@Kronos

Are you totally sure???

Couldn't OF just include drivers for those cards???

[Kronos]

@hnl_dk

Who care ? (But I doubt it)

All cards supported by MOS can be used in a x86-version.

I don't care how, or why but just that it is so.

[zacman]

It's funny to see everyone jumping around just
because Pegasos and MorphOS hit KDH and the
other dealers...

[anarchic_teapot]

t's funny to see everyone jumping around just because Pegasos and MorphOS hit KDH and the
other dealers.

No, what's funny is Gizzabuck's lame attempt to imply that they have their own dealer network which they'd kindly let others have access to. You can hardly blame the dealers for wanting to generate a bit of revenue right now. They have to eat, same as everyone else.

[strobe]

Usually you can just flash a PC card with the OF firmware.

The advantage of OF is it's very flexible and there are OF drivers embedded in OF-compatible cards. Thus the OF version of the ACard ATA disk controller PCI card has an OF driver which can load the kernel and modules from the filesystem. The advantage here is the kernel doesn't need built-in support for that card or some kind of lame disk controller specification in order to boot and root a volume on that bus.

What I would like to know is if the firmware has some kind of VESA driver in case you have an x86-based card which you can't be bothered to flash with the OF ROM. If not how would you be able to get to the OF prompt? (or else you have to pray the firmware doesn't run into problems before loading the kernel)

FYI: Apple's OF technotes http://bananajr6000.apple.com/OF/technotes.html

[Rodney]

Does this mean MorphOS is dependant upon the firmwear from bplan? If so, then it wont be able to run on A1 right?

Sorry, i ment the A1 that comes with the OS4 PPCBoot code + Dongle stuff...

[jedi]

@Rose alias anarchic_teapot

"Gizzabuck's lame"
"Thindick"

Have you not more arguments than that insults to enjoy your assembly ?...

[CodeSmith]

@jedi
Oh, come on - gizzabuck is kindof a lame nick, but thindick is actually pretty funny  :-D