Fleecy: No One Had Pre-Ordered OS4

[Kees]

Well .. what Amiga Inc does with their money is their concern ... not ours ... (at least not mine) ..

But i do expect to get what I paid for.

[MarkTime]

well Hyperion and Eyetech are not responsible for doing anything, and therefore, what they are doing is fine.

However, if either of them were responsible for carrying forward the Amiga platform, then they are doing lousy, because the Amiga platform is almost entirely stagnant.

All we have is a very highly priced PPC motherboard in the AmigaONE, and an OS that is forever in development.

Don't know how thats great, or good news.  

But on the other hand, given that they are doing more for the platform, than say....well Amiga, Inc. even does....then, sure they are doing great.

[Kees]

Erm .. are you from mars ??

Eyetech released the A1 ages ago .. and Hyperion is working on the release of OS4 ...

[MarkTime]

What part of the statement that the A1 is high priced and that OS 4 is still in development is confusing you?

*oh I get it*..you think they are responsible for moving forward the amiga platform....in that case, define how they are doing 'great'?

To answer your question, I am not from Mars, there are no living humans on Mars.

[Kees]

*oh I get it*..you think they are responsible for moving forward the amiga platform....in that case, define how they are doing 'great'?

Try reading this again:

Eyetech released the A1 ages ago .. and Hyperion is working on the release of OS4 ...

I think that they are doing great ... remember the time when we had no new hardware or software ? ... Both companies are doing great work .. so is Genesi for that matter.

[Glaucus]

I have to back up Kees here, you can't fault the developers for taking their time to develope their product. As a developer myself I can appreciate the grand task ahead of them and have no problems waiting several years for a new OS. My only concern is that they finish, and from what I can tell Hyperion is determined to deliver a quality product. of course the sooner the better, but I have a feeling it will be worth the wait.

  - Mike

[Waccoon]

I do not like the situation on the t-shirts though. Its way over due.

Well, look at it this way:  With no T-shirt, you won't be advertising to the world that Amiga ripped you off.

What part of the statement that the A1 is high priced and that OS 4 is still in development is confusing you?

They are doing work.  The quality of that work is unknown.

(Edit:  Er, the quality of OS4, I mean).

*oh I get it*..you think they are responsible for moving forward the amiga platform....in that case, define how they are doing 'great'?

Great, given that Amiga Inc is apparently not too involved in the development, and they had to pony up their own money to get the projects started.  Again, quality is unknown.  I agree they are doing a good job of getting their products to the market (which is more that what I say about Amiga), but I can't say I like their products very much.  I refuse to buy a PowerPC, and that means I can't have OS4, either.  Damn.

[MarkTime]

I think when you ask questions like 'Are you from Mars' you are minimalizing the chance for a good discussion and instead taking the discussion down towards the level of a personal affront and possible hurt feelings, and while I am fairly thick skinned, as you are, I'm sure...it has the possibility of hurting someones feelings, and gosh knows how the conversations go after peoples feelings are hurt.

I gathered you think they are doing great.

I wouldn't shoulder the responsibility of moving the platform forward on Eyetech.  They are merely a licensee....that is why I say, they aren't responsible for such a task...because, in fact...they are not.

the Licensee program, on the whole, has been a complete and utter failure.  It has produced only one, or two if you count both revisions of the A1, one vastly overpriced, slow, and not modernly spec'd PPC motherboard.  i.e 2xAGP in a world of 8xAGP, PC133 memory, in the DDR and Rambus age, etc. etc.

On the otherhand, its not Eyetech's responsibility to administer the licensee program...they are just one of the licensee's, and as such they are doing their modest bit to add a hardware choice to the platform.

Amiga, Inc., as the one promoting and signing licensee's, is the company that has failed to advance this platform, utilizing this strategy.

Hyperion, on the other hand, that is a contractor for Amiga, inc. that so far has produced nothing.

It's not hard for me to remember a time when there were no OS updates for years, because we are in one of those times right now.

Nevertheless, Hyperion, will probably eventually, finish OS 4.

Whether this should be considered 'great' or not, in my opinion, is whether Hyperion has done a better job, than another company would have done....

they only did the job, they didn't do a 'great' job...just my opinion of course...but they were very late, issuing many false directions and false predictions.
What defines 'great' and what is 'average' and what is 'poor' are all relative terms, and subjective.

However, I think its actually the case, that for the sake of the community, we want to say Amiga, Inc. is bad, and Hyperion is good.  But the reality is, Amiga, Inc. is very bad, and Hyperion is merely not quite that bad.

my 2 cents.

[Waccoon]

Hyperion, on the other hand, that is a contractor for Amiga, inc. that so far has produced nothing.

You mean, they have RELEASED nothing related to an OS.  They have a good reputation for releasing other Amiga products, and have demonstrated OS4 already.  They HAVE produced something, if you don't mind.

PS - "Are you from Mars" is not what I'd consider to be a personal attack.

[FarQuad]

My problem with the entire situation isn't Amiga Inc's business stupidity.  Even geniuses have businesses fail due to outside influences.

It isn't the fact that they've defrauded the community out of literally tens of thousands of dollars.  Hey, we were stupid enough to give them money on a vague promise when we were blatantly told "hey, this is literally rent money" (Bill McEwen at AmiWest)

The only thing I have against Amiga Inc is the continual stupid outright lies being told by Barry and his ilk.  There's even outright evidence of Barry's disregard for the community on the other site where Barry claims they were "scheduled" to move servers -- then went into the schpeel about how it was being done on his brother-in-law's wedding day -- when obviously it was nothing more than a lie as even Ray Akey pointed out.  why does "Fleecy" feel the need to lie about EVERY SINGLE THING???

There are even people out there telling us that "I talked to Fleecy and he said not to worry about the lawyers quitting".  I can think of two other cases off the top of my head where lawyers quit months into the case.  

1) California State versus Charles Manson
2) Florida State versus Eileen Wournos

Those two cases didn't fare so well for the defendent, so if the people saying it really DID talk to Barry, I wonder why "Fleecy" thinks it's some sort of OK thing for Amiga's lawyers to quit two weeks before trial date?

How much more of this are people going to take before enough is enough?  Not that it isn't too late, but we're starting to look like idiots to the rest of the world for believing anything Amiga Inc says.

"Amiga Inc is insolvent as a company" -- Bill McEwen in his deposition to the lawyers concerning the case of Thendic/Genesi versus Amiga Inc.  

My opinion is that right now, Amiga Inc holding on like a radiated ####roach is simply Bill McEwen's way of saying "screw you" to the Amiga community.  

// FarQ

[Kees]

think when you ask questions like 'Are you from Mars' you are minimalizing the chance for a good discussion and instead taking the discussion down

I'm sorry .. your right ..

[Tomas]

Amiga Inc holding on like a radiated ####roach is simply Bill McEwen's way of saying "screw you" to the Amiga community.

They let hyperion port os4, just to screw us??
I think their intentions was good, but things did not exactly their way and now they have ended up in a very bad financial situation. Though i believe the coupouns/tshirts was entirely wrong, even though they might have hoped this money would bring them back on track.

[Skyraker]

@Marktime

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Hyperion, on the other hand, that is a contractor for Amiga, inc. that so far has produced nothing.

Nevertheless, Hyperion, will probably eventually, finish OS 4.

What the f*ck have you done to advance this platform sunbeam? All I see is retrogade comments from an acidic parasite that expects everything on a plate...... and this goes for alot of you out there..... i'm singling this comment out as a collective, not nesc. picking on Marktime... most of you don't know the facts behind this and are merely speculating.......

Why don't you just wait and see.. bbrv and co would have you think that the Amigaworld is falling apart.. it is not... it is suprisingly sound...... contrary to the opinion of certain parties the future actually looks rather good... A DAMN site better than if HYp, AI and Eyetech were not involved...

Count your fuc*ing blessings.. would you stump up the money (even) if you had it to save this remarkable (albeit cursed) platform? No I think you wouldnt....

Who gives a sh1t about a couple of stupid t-shirts ( lets face it, you'd just look wankers in them anyway) ... ffs stop fighting amongst yourselves and find some unity.....

It will come good.... but like most with something beautiful you want to destroy it.. if you destroy this for me I will hate you forever.......

/Drunken rant over

sKy

[ritty]

@ skyraker   thank you for saying it right .. no need to draw lines in the sand ... so we got burned .. so what .. everyone I know that see's this kind of behavior understands...... but they just don't approve ... Amiga stands for all lot more then shortfalls ... thats just poor management .. at least we have our computers and the community..

[Warface]

There are even people out there telling us that "I talked to Fleecy and he said not to worry about the lawyers quitting".

I have recollections of many with insider knowledge telling not to worry about the auction, the offices, and they were around in every single case... IMHO (and don't take it as a kind of insult) Fleecy is in an automated damage control mode for some time.

[Bobsonsirjonny]

MarkTime wrote:

To answer your question, I am not from Mars, there are no living humans on Mars.

Or dead ones for that matter.... :smack:  :roll: