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Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« on: April 15, 2002, 10:06:32 PM »
Posted on  Amigart Monday, April 15 @ 12:14:38 EDT by Sinan Gurkan
 
"On ann and elsewhere there has been a lot of speculation about the nature of the ROM modifications to allow the A1-G3 (and any subsequent Amiga inc approved models) to run OS4 +



As most people here will realise we have always declared that we want to use the official Amiga OS and for Hyperion and Amiga to have their just rewards for licencing the AmigaOne and OS4 products. We are not the only possible licencees, but I guess that we committed to these conditions before anyone else. As a result we have worked in very close cooperation with both Amiga Inc and Hyperion throughout the A1 development program to ensure that piracy of OS4 is kept to a minimum. Jointly we have worked out that the best way to
do this is :..."

- To put ROM extensions (ie dongle code) in the boot ROM, in addition to the regular boot code.

- To put this in hard-coded, socketed ROM at a specific address in the PPC memory map, rather than in Flash ROM, which could easily be pirated/updated

- To ensure that OS4 calls this code from multiple points to make workround patches difficult to implement

- To ensure that a copy of OS4 is sold with all hardware capable of running it (ie with the dongle code in ROM)

- To use similar routines that already exist in the 3.1 Kickstart ROM as an alternative for the PPC accelerator implementations.

Although a dedicated pirate could no doubt copy the boot code and dupe the ROM's, unless this was to be done in bulk - which would be easy to spot and close down - the overheads involved versus buying the ROM would mean few people would be likely to do it. The situation is analagous to OS3.1/3.5/3.9 in that you had to have/buy 3.1 ROMs to run the OS, unless you go to extraordinary work-around lengths.


We are producing all the developer/dealer boards and at least the first run of user boards with this dongle code in place in the ROM - and therefore the obligation to purchase OS4 with them. (They can of course be used to run Linux, but you will still need to buy OS4 with these boards). If there is sufficient demand from the Linux comunity we will probably then produce some boards without the AmigaOne name (and without the dongle code needed for booting OS4). In this case we will also make available an OS4 + ROM upgrade pack (similar to the OS3.5/3.9 +3.1ROMs upgrade packs sold by most Amiga
Dealers) to purchasers of the Linux-only boards wishing to upgrade to OS4.

As far as other licenced stand-alone ppc hardware is concerned, it would, in my view, need to support a similar protection format (ie socketed hard coded ROM, not Flash ROM) to embody the same level of anti-piracy protection as The A1G3-SE. Whether, in the specific cases of other hardware manufacturers, this socketed ROM has already been implemented, or remains an option, or requires a partial redesign of the hardware is not something that I have any knowledge of. It is between Amiga Inc and the potential licencees concerned.

This tight anti-piracy regime has obviously upset some individuals on the
mailing lists who clearly did not expect to have to pay for OS4, or hoped to buy unapproved/unlicenced PPC Linux boards to save a few bucks. Well tough, we dont want your business under those circumstances and will do all in our power to make sure that if you buy one of our boards for Linux-only use you will not be able to use it for running OS4+ unless you are prepared to pay Hyperion and Amiga Inc their proper licence fees.

And I'm sure that all other potential serious licencees of endorsed Amiga
hardware will see it this way too."

Alan Redhouse, Eyetech CEO
Taken from AmigaONE mailing-list
 

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2002, 10:12:44 PM »
Good Good ;)=

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2002, 10:50:42 PM »
>Well tough, we dont want your business under those circumstances and will do all in our power to make sure that if >you buy one of our boards for Linux-only use you will not be able to use it for running OS4+ unless you are prepared >to pay Hyperion and Amiga Inc their proper licence fees.

>And I'm sure that all other potential serious licencees of endorsed Amiga hardware will see it this way too."

Absolutely!
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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2002, 10:56:34 PM »
so you have to buy OS4 ....big deal!
 

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2002, 11:05:11 PM »
Thanks Alan for making this clear.

I, for one, agree fully with this arrangement.  :-D
 

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2002, 11:13:05 PM »
A note, why would anyone use a copied AmigaOS? Pay for it! Phew, I said it! :-)

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2002, 11:16:16 PM »
Nice work gentelmen. :)

Now that the pirates are out and shouting i'm
sitting here daily laughing (really) as they
grope for excuses to make this look bad simply
because they can't get a free copy. :)

Wish i had gone for a dev board. I gotta have
one now! :)
 

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2002, 11:32:50 PM »
For the record, just because I am feeling a little misunderstood regarding my comment on the other thread,  I do not, nor have I ever advocated software piracy of AmigaOS or any other software.  I have purchased, or received as a gift, every copy of an Amiga OS or product I own.

What I disagree with is the silly notion of not selling Amiga OS seperately.  You want to install a piracy lock?  Fantastic!  Encrypt the ROM and sell it along with the OS so that you have to have a matched ROM/CD set.  I have no problems there at all.  I really don't.

Don't tell me that every time I want to upgrade, I have to buy a whole new motherboard, processor, or other piece of hardware.

Amiga Inc, in their typical fashion, have no idea how to write a press release without putting their foot in their mouths.  I honestly wish to God almighty that Amiga Inc.  would hire someone with a little "C.S".  But according to other site members in the forums here, "C.S" is dead... right?

 

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2002, 11:54:11 PM »
> Don't tell me that every time I want to upgrade,
> I have to buy a whole new motherboard, processor,
>  or other piece of hardware.
 
Although I'm not sure if you have to update the
hardware dongle with every new update of the OS,
I'ts certain that you don't have to buy a new mother-
board with each OSupdate.

 I really don't see how anyone  could interpret the
licence like that. Well, if it CAN be misundertood, I
guess AInc DID made a bad job at being clear...
Ben H.at least, was very amused with the sheer thought of
having to buy a new board for every update, when this
misinterpretation was suggested in a thread on ANN:-)
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SlimJim
 

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2002, 11:55:06 PM »
IMO, there is no difference between this and the traditional Amiga OS/ROM method.

You could not take AmigaOS 3.x and boot it on a Mac (68K) machine, even if you could get one with compatable hardware.  Why?  Because of the KickStart Rom!

People need to quit their bitchin and be thankfull that we are finally getting a new modern computer and OS!

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2002, 12:28:15 AM »
Good Job eyetech!
 

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2002, 12:28:17 AM »
I won't explain again why it is so painfully obvious that not allowing separate OS purchases is totally idiotic and will harm users, the PPC hardware market and Amiga Inc themselves.
This isn't the Bad Old Amiga Days, neither are you trying to sell to iMac users.

Then I see childish flamebait and insults like this from company executives:

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This tight anti-piracy regime has obviously upset some individuals on the mailing lists who clearly did not expect to have to pay for OS4, or hoped to buy unapproved/unlicenced PPC Linux boards to save a few bucks.

Bad consumer! Stupid user! Sit!

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Well tough, we dont want your business under those circumstances and will do all in our power to make sure that if you buy one of our boards for Linux-only use you will not be able to use it for running OS4+ unless you are prepared to pay Hyperion and Amiga Inc their proper licence fees.

We are prepared to pay for Amiga OS. Hell, it's my highest wish (when it comes to somputer related wishes anyway...). I am NOT prepared to have what's supposed to be a software company (Amiga Inc) tell me what hardware I can and can't use.
Why do some people seem to assume that there will never be any other Amiga OS compatible PPC hardware than the AmigaOne G3-SE?

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And I'm sure that all other potential serious licencees of endorsed Amiga hardware will see it this way too.

Yeah, LOL. I can't see the end of the line of queuing potential licencees, fighting over an Amiga approval. :-P
 It's nice that in addition to a familiar OS, we'll also experience that cosy feeling of little choice among hardware, hardware manufacturers ignoring Amiga OS and overpriced hardware due to nonexistant competition that we've been enjoying ever since C= died.
[color=0000FF]Maybe it\\\'s still possible to [/color]save AmigaOS [color=0000FF][/size][/color]  :rtfm:......
 

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2002, 01:13:09 AM »
@Wayne

I think you read too much into this.

Someone has to state the obvious and that someone is me!
 

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2002, 01:21:48 AM »
if wayne is right in what he said then i also have concerns. we are moving FORWARD yeh?

plfff.. amiga haha, i love it, but i'm sure some counselling should be supplied to the hangers-on free of charge from amiga inc.
 

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Re: Eyetech CEO Clarifies AmigaOne/OS4.0 Announcement
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2002, 02:00:52 AM »
Those with the party pack get it for free anyway i imagine, part of the deal...