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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #119 from previous page: January 05, 2009, 06:03:34 PM »
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IMHO, if redrumloa was a cold hearted capitalist he wouldn't comment on the price here in the forum, just send an email with a bid to AllocVec instead. Seems to me this is more about helping, one seller to another.


That logic only works if he was interested in buying that particular card at that time as a consumer.  Which he was not.  His actions were about keeping the going market value higher.  Since he sources in lots typically his maximizing of profit comes from the individual item sale market keeping its extreme premium.
 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #120 on: January 05, 2009, 06:07:13 PM »
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His actions were about keeping the going market value higher.


The question here would be, are you really qualified to tell what his actions were all about?

Personally, it looked to me like he simply made an observation.  A very correct observation, based on how quickly people were crawling all over each other to purchase this card.
 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #121 on: January 05, 2009, 06:49:36 PM »
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Personally, it looked to me like he simply made an observation.  A very correct observation, based on how quickly people were crawling all over each other to purchase this card.


So only cheap or under-priced, but desirable things have people crawling over each other to purchase them?  There is never a waiting list for expensive desirable things?  Thats absurd first off.  And two people showing interest is hardly "people crawling all over each other", thats certainly exaggerating things IMHO.

Beyond that, if we work with your own conclusion as you state it above, it shows that he sought to share his observation to make it known it was a very low price to the Amiga public at large.  He even made a comparison implying it might have sold at only 30 percent of its worth (as I read it, you may read it differently).  Which in the end is about letting people know they should keep the prices on it higher, which helps affect the higher market value he believes the card should hold.  

But if it makes you feel any better this is all IMHO of course.  

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My main point is modrobert's logic is flawed as red was not looking to buy the card in question.
 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #122 on: January 05, 2009, 07:08:26 PM »
Ilwrath has a point IMHO. I'm amazed about how much information people can extract from a few posts: his motives, the purpose of the comments, etc.

I wish I was that clever; I would have been rich by now.

I'll just go on with my ordinary life, and let others figure everything out about me, based on this post....
 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #123 on: January 05, 2009, 07:25:22 PM »
Ignoring the truism that perception is reality, I'd agree. Perhaps some of us did jump to some conclusions.

That said, it is interesting how he lashed out, blocked bids and wants to close his account. I agree with Wayne on almost all counts. Some nasty things were said. Some of us -were- having a bad day. Things got carried away. Most, if not ALL of us (myself included), offered a truce, a hand shaking and a gesture to move forward together. By his inaction and lack of participation, Red has made it clear what he thinks of the entire community, the business and the hobby. But that would befit his most recent verbiage and actions. And that's what's most saddening here.

It was never my intention to have Red or anyone like him 'leave' the community. But if this is what is to be expected of him, then... make of it what you will. He will be missed, but life goes on.

Amiga.org rocks on many levels and is still *better* than most/all of the other AmigaFanForums - IMO. It's comprised mostly of kind hearted people who aren't afraid to share their advise and techniques. Still MUCH value to be had here, make no mistake about it.

 
 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #124 on: January 05, 2009, 07:29:39 PM »
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doctorq wrote:
Ilwrath has a point IMHO. I'm amazed about how much information people can extract from a few posts: his motives, the purpose of the comments, etc.

I wish I was that clever; I would have been rich by now.

I'll just go on with my ordinary life, and let others figure everything out about me, based on this post....


We all have our opinions and they can always change with more info so long as one is not closed minded.  And none of us are omnipotent.  For me certain things said by him (as well as the banning of accounts) were obviously more impactful to my opinions than they were to yours.  I can respect that.  This is a discussion forum after all.  If it helps I'll not post again in this thread.  And as I mentioned before I don't see any reason why red should leave the community. And given all the people who vouched for him I think if people see something worthwhile in his store for a price they feel comfortable with, that he seems like a fine retailer to do business with.
 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #125 on: January 05, 2009, 07:30:05 PM »
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doctorq wrote:
Ilwrath has a point IMHO. I'm amazed about how much information people can extract from a few posts: his motives, the purpose of the comments, etc.

I wish I was that clever; I would have been rich by now.

I'll just go on with my ordinary life, and let others figure everything out about me, based on this post....


Well - seeing how you're not clever enough to be rich by now.. you're obviously a Windows user, are responsible for the Amiga's downfall and making the baby jesus cry.

In your spare time you also kick dogs...



 :-o

Eh, just trying to keep in the spirit of the thread here!


Yah, I was also amazed at the amount of info that was extrapolated from such few posts :)



 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #126 on: January 05, 2009, 07:32:22 PM »
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Amiga.org rocks on many levels and is still *better* than most/all of the other AmigaFanForums - IMO. It's comprised mostly of kind hearted people who aren't afraid to share their advise and techniques. Still MUCH value to be had here, make no mistake about it.


I agree and I'm aware of it.

Still I will never again put something up for sale here...
 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #127 on: January 05, 2009, 07:34:06 PM »
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Still I will never again put something up for sale here...


Well, thats 2 people no longer willing to sell or trade on here over this debacle ... how many more?  :-(
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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #128 on: January 05, 2009, 07:39:36 PM »
@ZeBeeDee

It's not based on this thread alone but experiences in the past as well.
 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #129 on: January 05, 2009, 07:41:28 PM »
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@ZeBeeDee

It's not based on this thread alone but experiences in the past as well.


I hear ya there ... All my stuff goes straight to onto Ebay and eBid these days. I run a business from home and I do it to make money, not to give things away. You want the item? You pay a reasonable price for it. If you don't like the price then go elsewhere, that is your perogative. If you want to trade items via places like amibay then thats fine, go right ahead ... that too is your perogative.

If, for example I had 10 Indivision AGA1200's to sell and nobody else had any, how many people would be biting their own legs off to get hold of one even if they paid $10 over the RRP? How many? LOADS! thats how many ... Supply and demand.

Me a capitalist? You bet I am ... anyone that has a problem with that can go tell it to somebody who cares.

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #130 on: January 05, 2009, 07:44:05 PM »
What's the big deal? Are you afraid somebody is going to have something to say about your goods? To say you will NEVER sell here again is pretty harsh. So much for having an open mind. This all started because someone with a vested interest in selling Amiga goods made a comment about how "cheap" something went for. Are you saying that you view most of A.org members as cheap hobbyists and you'd rather squeeze every last penny out of someone that is a total stranger to you? Are we all supposed to jump on the GreedBay bandwagon now?

What's the real fear in offering things for sale or trade? And why continue to support eBay and PayPal? Is it because most people want to be heavily moderated as they are on Amibay?

Perhaps that's the real answer. A forum to discuss things should not be mixed with sales of any kind. 13+ years experience chatting/buying/selling/trading via Usenet/Internet would sure seem to support this notion. Many, many examples of conflict of interest.

BTW: I use ePay as a last resort. Like to offer goods to a community first. But it has been my experience that sales have been awfully soft since Usenet was divided and scattered into XX amount of specialised web forums. Ironic though how people in a community would rather you post here first, want things for whatever price, flake out, talk you down, treat each other poorly, etc.  I guess many of us have come full circle (again) in this regard. And for that - I am sorry. Would be nice if there was better clarity in dealings these days. No wonder people are more confused than ever. Webforum market's are not the same as eBay.
 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #131 on: January 05, 2009, 08:05:08 PM »
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Are you afraid somebody is going to have something to say about your goods? To say you will NEVER sell here again is pretty harsh. So much for having an open mind.


Well, you were right in the middle of the storm in this one, I have been in one myself here on this very forum. A FS thread with a high priced item will quickly run into a a lot of posts stating that the item is priced to high, with posts of finding similar cheaper items for them to justify their claim that the item should cost that, and only that.

If you, as I have, choose not to put things up for sale on forums like this you get less attacks (I have been called a lot of things by now), a quicker sale, and you get the price you want for it.

Call me narrow minded, but I prefer the less hazzle I have by selling outside forums.
 

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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #132 on: January 05, 2009, 08:18:30 PM »
I wouldn't call it completely narrow minded. Just sad as we come to realise certain truths. Selling outside of any of the web forums is justifiable. Just don't want to see any more people jumping ship over this thread is all. Enough damage has been done.  
 

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« Reply #133 on: January 05, 2009, 08:44:47 PM »
I will never sell an item here either!

Way to go, guys.
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Re: FS: Blizzard 2060
« Reply #134 on: January 05, 2009, 09:30:55 PM »
I won't sell here either, but sometimes that doesn't matter.  There was a thread recently where someone saw one of my items for sale on EBay and commented on it.  Soon the thread was off and running just like other people have stated here.  I was trying to sell the item for exactly what I had paid but this forum was full of people finding fault with the item (which there was none) and going on about how it was overpriced and others had sold for less.  I guess on this forum it's OK to sell things for less than their value but if you want market value you "lack decency".  There are 3 people on this thread who have been idiots since ReDrums first statement.  I don't have to name names because if you have read the thread it is very obvious.

If you hit somebody over the head with a 2X4 it's gonna hurt no matter how many times the person striking the blow says they're sorry.  This is a foreign concept to several of the people in this thread.