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[WotTheFook]

@ Arkanoid

Spot on, mate; the conflict of interest wasn't lost on Kin Hell or myself quite as easily as it may have been lost on others.....

IMO, Moderators shouldn't allow themselves to get into a position where they couls potentially mis-use their power for their own ends. Now, I am not saying this has happened in this case, before you all start sharpening your pitchforks; what I am saying is that his comment introduces an element of doubt about Moderator integrity.

An item sells for what the seller wants for it and what the buyer is prepared to pay, not some arbitrary market value set by a Moderator...

Red only had a Trader account so he could only sell and not buy items. The Trader account was deliberately created that way. AmiBay does have a system of checks and balances in place regarding these things behind the scenes.

[ffastback]

arkanoid wrote:

reflect: Ok, so maybe it was wrong to say he might have another account. That was baseless speculation by me.

Good to see you retracted what you said.  There is no reason to inflame things any further needlessly.  The ultimate goal should be reconciliation between those that got pissed at each other.

[ZeBeeDee]

heh

[WotTheFook]

@ Ideal

If the posts were deleted by another Moderator with an explanation then fine, however, I can't believe you would be happy with a Moderator deleting posts made about himself if he doesn't like what is being said; can't anyone else see the conflict of interest in this?

If Red deletes these posts, he would only be confirming what is already being suspected......

[ffastback]

Ideal wrote:

What is worse is that as well as being a profit-driven company out to make as much money as possible, Redrumloa is also a moderator.
I believe these two roles should not be combined.

Considering he uses the forums here to advertise for his business, I would tend to agree.  Nothing against him personally.  Even if he were universally well-liked its still probably not the best idea.

Redrumloa is clearly the single most greedy and price-hiking entity on this forum. I strongly disagree with his practice of buying out lots of amiga hardware and making a living from fellow amiga-enthusiasts.

In a way though isn't this a way for him to make a living from something he loves?  No one has to sell to him and no one has to buy from him either.  And plenty of individual sellers ask for crazy money.  And plenty of greedy hoarders buy up multiples of what they already own keeping prices in general high.

[Damion]

arkanoid wrote:

-D- wrote:

arkanoid wrote:

The fact that Redromola is a trader and even has an account on Amibay probably means he'd have no problem buying things cheaply at those "community prices" he's mocked in this very thread.

 :roll:

Yes, reread it, it's flawless logic.  :roll:

Which is probably why Merlin has frozen his Amibay account.

Red buys things for pennies on amibay and sells them for huge profits??? :lol: Foaming a bit on this one, eh?

Everyone slips up, has bad days, says things maybe they shouldn't have... boo-hoo. I could understand if Red had a questionable history,  but he's proven himself to be an honest seller THOUSANDS of times over. (Let me repeat that -THOUSANDS- of happy transactions.) Like him or not whatever, criticize a comment, sure, but to jump all over his character is simply laughable!

[ffastback]

-D- wrote:
but he's proven himself to be an honest seller THOUSANDS of times over. (Let me repeat that -THOUSANDS- of happy transactions.) Like him or not whatever, criticize a comment, sure, but to jump all over his character is simply laughable!

Ebay feedback is certainly a better indication than not.  But for ages sellers on ebay would withold feedback on buyers even when they quickly paid, all that buyers need to do to deserve positive feedback.  They would instead hold their feedback if needed for retaliation against buyer feedback.  This caused plenty of buyers to not leave deserved negative or neutral feedback, as they didn't want their reps tarnished undeservedly.  This is why ebay changed how feedback now works.  So while definitely a good sign its not as definitive an indicator as you describe IMHO.  Now if red's policy was always to send positive feedback as soon as he got payment that would be another positive indicator about how he conducts himself.  Personally I don't know much about him.  Perhaps he had a bad day as you imply.  My point here is while its a good indicator for him I think you are overstating what ebay feedback can tell us or not on its own.

[arkanoid]

-D- wrote:

arkanoid wrote:

-D- wrote:

arkanoid wrote:

The fact that Redromola is a trader and even has an account on Amibay probably means he'd have no problem buying things cheaply at those "community prices" he's mocked in this very thread.

 :roll:

Yes, reread it, it's flawless logic.  :roll:

Which is probably why Merlin has frozen his Amibay account.

Red buys things for pennies on amibay and sells them for huge profits??? :lol: Foaming a bit on this one, eh?

Everyone slips up, has bad days, says things maybe they shouldn't have... boo-hoo. I could understand if Red had a questionable history,  but he's proven himself to be an honest seller THOUSANDS of times over. (Let me repeat that -THOUSANDS- of happy transactions.) Like him or not whatever, criticize a comment, sure, but to jump all over his character is simply laughable!

Well, he's either in the business of making profit from Amiga wares, or he isn't. You can't have it both ways. Despite what you say, I think he's made it clear that his only concern is making money from Amiga sales. With that in mind, are you saying he doesn't buy things cheaper and then sell them on? He obviously does, else he's a piss-poor "business man".

So my (and other's) point is that he shouldn't be allowed to have any influence on a site (Amibay) setup SPECIFICALLY to counteract greed driven Amiga sales. As has already been pointed out, there's a conflict of interests there and I'm really glad the Amibay mods see that! Besides that, and more to the point of this thread, his commercially driven comments (such as "waaaaay tooo cheap") in a thread where a sale is taking place between genuine enthusiasts (whose main concern may not be hiking prices up to the absolute maximum) are NOT welcome. We all know exactly why he found this thread's sale item "waaaay too cheap".

Nobody has said Red is a "bad trader", I have no idea if he is or if he isn't. But really, that's not the point of people's concern here. What I do know, is that he's blatantly honest, perhaps to a fault. He's so honest that he's let us all know that any involvement he has in Amiga trades and any comment he makes is based purely on how much profit can be made. For people who view their Amiga as a passionate hobby (as I think most of us do), and in a lot of ways a place we can all escape from the crap that comes along with modern systems dictated by capitalism and money - his take on the Amiga community is complete crap!

And to top it off, he's a moderator on one of the "communiy's" largest and most influential sites. To me, that's almost sinful.

And by the way, the attitude Red has displayed in this thread is no "slip up". When you make slipups, you apologize. When you think you're justified and cannot see why people are so upset, you stubbornly continue with the same line - as he has done.

[gklinger]

What is the difference between what red is doing and what AmigaKit does? I don't see anyone complaining about AmigaKit's markups or the fact that they're making a profit from the community.

Sour grapes, defamatory accusations and double standards too. Oh my!

[arkanoid]

As far as im aware, Amigakit have never posted comments in a thread encouraging price hiking between enthusiasts. They quietly get on with their business in a professional manner.

Don't worry, it's nothing personal. I'm pretty certain Amigakit would get as much stick if they pulled the same stunt. It's nothing to do with WHO has done it, it's what has been done and what that person's motives are.

[Kin-Hell]

gklinger wrote:
What is the difference between what red is doing and what AmigaKit does?

Golan,

Adding to arkanoid's comment;

red's stuff is mostly second-hand & hard to find items. Amiga Kit's stuff mostly is new & more up to date items. Making statements like this is missing the point whilst fuelling the bs.

Kin

[kd7ota]

.... Had to log in and put in my two cents.

So when was it a crime to sell stuff for high prices?  If we are factoring the age of the hardware, we may as well sell the original apple for $10 or even prototypes that dont fully work for $5 a piece....

On a side note, everyone is free to sell whatever for the prices they are asking for.. Dont like it? Simply do not buy..

If Redrumloa wants to sell at his prices, let him. Heck, I thought that Amiga 4000 w/060 he had up not too long ago was a killer deal for $1100 for the fact that he could part it out in pieces and get MUCH MUCH more for it.

If anyone also whines that Redrumloa takes over a good chunk of the Amiga market, why dont you hunt and buy out and sell your stuff the way you want?

But enough, cheers to Redrumloa on selling Amiga items and dealing in them.  Im sure if it wasnt for him keeping it up, we would see the hardware go straight to the landfill. lol.  :lol:

[Kin-Hell]

....and another one misses the point....

[ZeBeeDee]

/me gazes into his crystal ball and can foresee redrumloa hanging up his amiga cables and disposing of all stock, never to be sold or sourced again.

Lets hope everyone will be happy on that day should it come to pass (might be sooner than we think if this carries on) ... yet another source of miggy hardware assigned to the history books and internet search engines *sigh*

Yes, red is a seller and yes, he is a moderator here but so what? He is trusted enough by Wayne et al to have that moderator status and all you lot do is whine that he made a comment and it got immediately linked to his status here.

So instead of everyone adding to the {bleep}-pile, step away from your keyboards, stop fanning the flames and let cooler heads prevail for a change.

To sum up ... Communist or capitalist ... I really don't give a rat's rectum so long as my miggy addiction is alive and well with NOS, new products or homebrew hacks - price is irrelevant as is the vendor.

Thats ya lot ... I'm off back to the popcorn

[reflect]

@kd7ota

Anyone can sell at high prices. That's OK. What's being disputed in this thread is when a professional seller goes into a thread that is between a hobbyist seller and a hobbyist buyer and drops a remark that was uncalled for. That's all it was, really. Then it got stupid and he invited his friends and family, too.

I still think it was wrong and unethical - the guy not only sells stuff for a living, he's also a moderator. However soon it got too bad, from all sides..

The original statement was wrong, but so was many of the following ones too. Now we're down to either fixing this, or forgetting this.

[gklinger]

Kin-Hell wrote:

red's stuff is mostly second-hand & hard to find items. Amiga Kit's stuff mostly is new & more up to date items.

Peaches are best eaten when ripe.

You know what our two statements have in common? They're both completely irrelevant.

Making statements like this is missing the point whilst fuelling the bs.

I haven't missed the point. You lot are so busy with the demonizing that you've long since passed the point of being rational and have resorted to supposition, innuendo and the tossing of red herrings.

arkanoid   : I'm glad this isn't personal. :roll: