AROS vs traditional Amiga vs SAM

[Piru]

@Gebrochen

I know one can do it on other platforms, but, is it a simple case of right clicking, renaming the volume.(read next sentence first)

Yes. Even easier. For example with Mac OS X you just doubleclick the label and type the new name.

then when you restart the computer, does that OS remember what you had named that usb Stick volume??

There is nothing for the OS to remember. The filesystem has been relabeled, of course the new name will appear. This works with every OS that has USB, massstorage and FAT support.

[kolla]

paolone wrote:

3. Since I use both AROS and AmigaOS 4.1 I can see their pros and they cons. There are things better done in AmigaOS 4.1, but also things that were better made on AROS. For istance, try to place a PC cdrom on both operating systems, and while in AmigaOS you'll be forced to choose "all files" view in the Window menu, AROS will choose this view automatically, due to a precise design decision took while developing it (AROS uses view > all files on any volume that has no amiga disk.icon file in its root - this will be helpful when Michal has completed his mass storage bounty too).

Well, gee... you need a bounty to change envarc:sys/def_disk.info? :roll:

[kolla]

Piru wrote:
Yes. Even easier. For example with Mac OS X you just doubleclick the label and type the new name.



There is nothing for the OS to remember. The filesystem has been relabeled, of course the new name will appear. This works with every OS that has USB, massstorage and FAT support.

I dont find double-clicking the labelname particularly intuitive, and looking from the accidently renamed files/volumes I find on other people's macs, it's not really usefull.

Anyhow... what I really like with amiga systems, is that you can remove a device with programs still open on it, the OS wont panick, nor will it kill the programs or anything other nasty stuff. It will just ask the user to insert the disk/whatever when needed, recognise it and move on. Try that with windows, OSX, linux etc.

[bloodline]

kolla wrote:

Piru wrote:
Yes. Even easier. For example with Mac OS X you just doubleclick the label and type the new name.



There is nothing for the OS to remember. The filesystem has been relabeled, of course the new name will appear. This works with every OS that has USB, massstorage and FAT support.

I dont find double-clicking the labelname particularly intuitive, and looking from the accidently renamed files/volumes I find on other people's macs, it's not really usefull.

Anyhow... what I really like with amiga systems, is that you can remove a device with programs still open on it, the OS wont panick, nor will it kill the programs or anything other nasty stuff. It will just ask the user to insert the disk/whatever when needed, recognise it and move on. Try that with windows, OSX, linux etc.

Only the AmigaOS designers felt the need for offline filesystems... AROS supports this feature too...

While I miss the feature, which I'm used to from the Amiga days... I'm not sure it's actually a useful feature anymore... and is actually somewhat inconsistent design...

[dammy]

by drHirudo on 2008/11/20 10:30:52

Dammy, let me tell you something. These boards are Amigas.

In that case, my ASUS mobos are Amigas.  They run AF quiet nicely and it's an official Licensed product of Amiga Inc.   :roll:

Dammy

[kolla]

bloodline wrote:

Only the AmigaOS designers felt the need for offline filesystems... AROS supports this feature too...

While I miss the feature, which I'm used to from the Amiga days... I'm not sure it's actually a useful feature anymore... and is actually somewhat inconsistent design...

Obviously you dont own gadgets that people around you feel they need to have a look at. I can tell you, owning a linux phone or pda with mounted memory card is a  f*in PITA.

I also very often want to just rip out usb devices without having to dismount.. oh no busy, close program, still busy, change cwd of a shell... finally not busy, dismount, rip out. Really, i find this issue a total mess on all so called modern systems.

[pixie]

@bloodline:

While I miss the feature, which I'm used to from the Amiga days... I'm not sure it's actually a useful feature anymore... and is actually somewhat inconsistent design...

If program is on memory why do the os should care if it is on it's physical location? And while we're here why the hell I'm forbiden to open the same pic on several apps? Evolution?

[orb85750]

Yes, I'm one of those former Amiga users, and my renewed interest has continued to build over the last year or so.  There's so much good work going on in Amiga world (but not by the trademark holder, apparently) that a revival seems to be in place.  It is very exciting.  The more work that is done, the more interest will be generated -- and soon noticed by computer publications too?  Could be huge.  Hope so.

Atheist wrote:

Amithony wrote:

It looks like the Amiga will be around for a long time to come yet.

Hi Amithony,

Errr, yeah?

I was going to start a thread about that actually, you may want to.

I can't believe the amount of people that are posting with "join" dates of year 2007 and 2008, here and on AmigaWorld.Net.

Add to that, the amount of people in the last short while who are posting with join dates of 3 and more years ago, and they have under 100 posts, and many with even less than 20!!!!


Anyone else notice?

[AeroMan]

Atheist wrote:


Errr, yeah?

I was going to start a thread about that actually, you may want to.

I can't believe the amount of people that are posting with "join" dates of year 2007 and 2008, here and on AmigaWorld.Net.

Add to that, the amount of people in the last short while who are posting with join dates of 3 and more years ago, and they have under 100 posts, and many with even less than 20!!!!


Anyone else notice?

I´ve joined Amiga.org in 2007, but I´ve been driving an Amiga since 92, and I´ve been a fan since the days I was programming my Sinclair and bought my first Your Sinclair magazine that had an Amiga ad.

It means, I just discovered Aorg last year. I was lost, it saved me!!
 :-D

[paolone]

If program is on memory why do the os should care if it is on it's physical location? And while we're here why the hell I'm forbiden to open the same pic on several apps? Evolution?

No, it's the simple need to avoid that program A could modify the file X using an older version, since program B has already modified it before (and program A is not aware of this change by program B). Programs making changes to important files should always lock them while they're open. This might be not true for all kind of files. For istance, when I modify a HTML page with FrontPage, I can open it both with IE and Firefox. But there is a little difference between an editor and a viewer: the latter is not supposed to modify the file.

[Amithony]

Hi Amithony,

Errr, yeah?

I was going to start a thread about that actually, you may want to.

I can't believe the amount of people that are posting with "join" dates of year 2007 and 2008, here and on AmigaWorld.Net.

Add to that, the amount of people in the last short while who are posting with join dates of 3 and more years ago, and they have under 100 posts, and many with even less than 20!!!!


Anyone else notice?

The tide is starting to change. I cant wait to get my SAM. As long as it has OS4.1 it is good enough to be an Amiga to me. Walk, talk and quack like a duck. But runs like a roadrunner. Bring it on!

[drHirudo]

Vesalia changed the ETA for SAM boards to December 2008. First it was November 21st, next it changed to November 26, and now December. The people who bought them back in September are lucky to have the boards now. The rest have to wait I wonder how many SAM boards are manufactured now? I hope more than thousand.

[takemehomegrandma]

Perhaps they made as many as 50 in the first batch? And now another 50?

[bloodline]

pixie wrote:
@bloodline:

While I miss the feature, which I'm used to from the Amiga days... I'm not sure it's actually a useful feature anymore... and is actually somewhat inconsistent design...

If program is on memory why do the os should care if it is on it's physical location? And while we're here why the hell I'm forbiden to open the same pic on several apps? Evolution?

Different and unrelated issue. You are speaking of "File Locks", I am speaking about off line file systems.

[jahc]

In that case, my ASUS mobos are Amigas. They run AF quiet nicely and it's an official Licensed product of Amiga Inc.

Well the difference is that WinUAE is emulation.. but still, if I had an Amithlon box, I'd probably refer to it as "my Amiga" too.

And btw.. if anyone wants to use IRC from AROS, WookieChat is available
(Just set the stack correctly, for some reason AROS doesnt take the stack value from the icon

[bloodline]

jahc wrote:

In that case, my ASUS mobos are Amigas. They run AF quiet nicely and it's an official Licensed product of Amiga Inc.

Well the difference is that WinUAE is emulation.. but still, if I had an Amithlon box, I'd probably refer to it as "my Amiga" too.

With all due respect here... but really what makes the difference between emulation and native now...?

I say this as someone who loves to fire up his A500 and marvel at what those Crazy Amiga guys managed back exactly 20 years ago today...

But for serious usage... well you know what I mean :-)